@R4iscool1 As I mentioned, perhaps this ban was legitimate. It's what Grassling brought up after the ban that is relevant to the community. No, I don't expect you to take harassment. I am not stupid.

The thread was a Ban Appeal thread. It was locked in the sense that only staff could reply to it. And again, I don't have everything I need to prove staff is evil, and that's not my goal at all. I have heard a LOT in the past few months about weird bans, bans that are more emotionally based than anything. Rudeness from the staff is pretty common, depending on who you are. Even newbies are sometimes mistreated by staff. You say this isn't a staff issue, but I don't disagree with any of the rules. My point is that they are poorly enforced. As someone I talked with earlier said, they seem to be "moody". Bans and warnings often occur for no good reason.

Obviously force is required. But rules are often taken too far on CM, and force is used without good reason.

I'm not going to make this into a big fight. But I think it's an issue that needs to be discussed. If no one in the community thinks so, then so be it. But if people agree with Grasslings' and my thread, then please be vocal so we can work out a change.

I want to note that I have not once been officially warned by staff. This is not a personal complaint, it's what I see from the community at large.

@Naidae Understandable. This is public because it's a big, controversial issue that affects most people on here, not just me. Everyone has something to contribute and ideas to suggest. I don't know all that staff has/hasn't done, and I can't fix this with a PM.

@Naidae Well said. I do not want to generalize or put staff down. My purpose for this is discussion, not hate rants from either side.

@R4iscool1 Regarding the Grassling situation, it was not "abuse" using the first names of staff members. Grassling mentioned he knew that staff was called by first names by other players.

Whether his ban was fair or not is not the point. It's what he said after his appeal in the deleted thread (which included nothing breaking rules, so why remove it in the first place? it was a locked thread anyways) that connects to this community. Many, MANY players have left because of rude staff or pointlessly strict enforcement of rules.

Should rules be enforced? Of course.
Should private info be leaked? Obviously not.

But to say that staff's enforcement of rules and general demeanor is NOT an issue to the community at large is blindness. I've been here for three months and it's blatantly obvious to me and most of the playerbase here.

@R4iscool1 Please do not give me the crap of "What should we do? Offer cookies to hackers?" and the like when I am being mature, honest, and allowing for community input on a big issue on CM. I'm not saying we abolish the rules. As for a solution, well, that's why this thread is public, because I am not intelligent enough to come up with a perfect solution on my own.

You say this isn't an issue? Look how fast this post has generated responses in the past hour or so. Look around.

@AssaultSquid That last statement was a bit overboard. Staff is not ALWAYS bad and not ALWAYS good. They're human. We just want to discuss the strictness that is too much for many members of the community. Thanks @OtherGreenGamer for the link.

@JSN_ And I'd love to keep it that way. My point in starting this thread was not to have everyone throw insults at staff, but rather get the ball rolling for change in the most peaceful way possible.

@Sirchristopher10 My bad. As I said, I did not know him well. I will fix the post.

Hey all,

This post is more geared towards staff, as most of the general public likely did not get a chance to read Grassling's final post (no, not his ban appeal denied by Dawn) before the thread was deleted.

While I do not know Grassling well, the post in question was made with clear points and a respect for staff, although it was a critique for them. However, as someone who tends to appreciate justified and mature anger, I do not understand why this post was deleted. Nothing Grassling said was overly offensive, nor did it break any rules of the forums. The post was as mature as anyone could ask. He did not say staff was awful or stupid. He gave his input, and let players make up their own minds on the matter. He was being reasonable throughout the entire post, even if you do not agree with his points.

While I typically appreciate the strictness of staff, I do feel that in some cases this goes too far. Deleting a post made to complain (justifiably, in my opinion) about staff should be seen as a suggestion or a critique, not as a bash to the head. If players are repeatedly noticing problems in the staff system (which Grassling mentioned, and I can confirm), they should be brought to attention, not hidden away because staff doesn't want their title slandered. I can't stress enough that Grassling was correct in many areas. Have many players left the server because of staff being overly strict and in some cases rude? Yes. Even in my short time here, I have seen that more than on any other server.

I am not bashing staff either. I do respect sticking to rules strictly and not taking any crap about it. But staff may want to consider taking heed of their community on how tight the reins are, because without community, no server is worth anything. Pull too tight, and your metaphorical horses die; the server falls apart. Forgive me for being a bit poetic, but the symbolism is accurate in my opinion.

Does staff need to undergo a change? Who knows? But if you force your community to keep its mouth shut on the matter, then don't be surprised when outrage breaks loose.

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Edit: Grassling's post has since been restored by staff. Thank you :)

Link: https://forum.craftymynes.com/6502-my-outgoing-message

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I am saving a screenshot of this post in case of deletion by staff.

Episode 16 added! This goes over the Team Eye ambush and two NN events.

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