^ Suspicious af, just saying.

@_Drachenzorn_ I can only see Filmora lol

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Wtf...

2 months ago, I always thought I was the only one worried about how fucked up economy was. It seems like I'm not alone...

Emerald/diamond conversion, pumpkin villager, and now shulker eggs... 1.11 was the last bullet to our economy. I completely agree with @cepheid 's thoughts and I can imagine how absurd this may sound to a casual player but in order to balance and fix everything, we need to start with a clean slate.

Also, I would like to say that using admin heads to replace spawn eggs in Craftycrates is a brilliant idea! I believe that it will prevent the removal of spawn eggs from hurting the VIP+ sales in the future.

@PenguinMytyMJ i also don't object to a map reset, though i would be at a big disadvantage because i can't get on barely at all now because i have a real job so it might mean the end for me but you can still add my name to that list

If this happens, I will personally help you build a new base, I promise! :)

@Sirchristopher10 True it is sad but I guess.. whatever makes the server better and more fair

That is exactly what we are talking about! This choice won't make the server more fair at all. So I, @Tez1010, @Cellexya, @Pimpcy, @Dennari43, @CovertRaw, @misterkickman, @Blesian, @Sofatroll, @_Drachenzorn_, @Rybye, @PenguinMytyMJ, @Quartz_King, @Valgys @Naidae and @Ham_Radio think that a map reset is the best solution to make things better and more fair.

@Sirchristopher10 I get your point but some players would be at a severe disadvantage to others. The economy is already broken but is it really. It is all in the eye of the beholder

But latter would be a disadvantage to some players AND whole server along with it. And I'm afraid you are right about thinking economy is broken. The only real way to implement this is a map reset.

@cepheid To be clear this is NOT something I want. I believe gaining wealth should require a significant amount of effort and skill rather than dumb luck surrounding server rule changes

Agreed!

@cepheid First of all, I currently am the shulker market. The instant I lost an infinite source of shells the price would get jacked up to at least 1 diamond block per shell (2 diamond blocks per box) until someone proves to me that they can be obtained in the end fast enough that they could sell at cheaper prices and have it be sustainable. This would be necessary for me to ensure I'd never run out of boxes for myself, because although I currently have a decent stockpile, players will always want more shulker boxes so I'd be forced to raise my price to disincentivise them buying everything I have. Effectively, I would instantly be by far the wealthiest player on the server. It wouldn't even be close.

If spawn eggs were to be prevented from being put in spawners, that wouldn't stop you from being the richest player on the server. So it doesn't matter at all.

I'm not bothered of you being the richest player at all. In fact, when I compare "the decrease of VIP+ sales and the huge disadvantage to new players" to "you being the richest player", the latter wins. Also, shulker shells and boxes are meant to be expensive and hard to get. In fact, you saw the opportunity and striked first so in my opinion it's absolutely your right to take advantage of it.

I believe that the removal of shulker eggs/spawners will fix all the problems at once. It is the most effective and less impactful way to fix things.

@cepheid I imagine players that bought vip+ just for the shulker egg would be devastated by this.

As far as I know there are no ways for players to know which egg will be given in the next months crate.

Also, shulker boxes/shells are already out there but they can be obtained in a traditional way such as obtaining them from end cities so I don't think that the removal of shulker eggs would add value to the shulker shells in the market, but there is no way for me to foresee the future so...

@R4iscool1 The problem is we can't anticipate what Mojang will change in future updates, originally Shulker eggs were given out because at the time they seemed harmless and did not confer a great advantage over normal players. The introduction of 1.11 changed this obviously and led to a distinct advantage being given to a small number of players, which as a server that aim's to not be pay2win and fun for everyone is a bad thing.
So it is indeed a problem and the only real solution is to stop putting eggs in spawners, unless you suggest we just remove Eggs from people that paid for them if the game changes and they turn out be too OP ?

Lag does make quite a lot of sense actually, it's not a huge concern but you are far far more likely to grind a useful spawner such as shulker than a bat spawner which in turn leads to more lag.
We also have had some incidents of Shulker spawners specifically going out of control and having to be dealt with.

You could give them a different spawn egg and some craftycoins in return? You can't just remove the whole feature just for a single mistake.

Removal of this feature won't fix anything because shulker eggs are still out there; being used, bought, sold...

Bat spawners can be used for XP purposes so they will cause lag just as much as any other spawner(s).

The problem is not the spawn eggs. It's the shulker egg. I'm afraid the only solution to this problem other than map reset is to remove shulker eggs/spawners and give those players something else in return (different spawn egg, craftycoins, diamond blocks, an item with lore etc.). Removing a feature this vital should not be an option, cons are simply too many. My 0.02$