@Dennari43 y'all got no patience

Just a question. Didn’t say Jimmie UPDATE NOW wondering what the plan is

1.21.2 came out with plenty of drops and new stuff was curious to see when we be updating?

@Casey_Fluffbat Unintentionally as in Litematica enables players to exploit, even if that isn't intended.

"Intended" fades out when Litematica is boiled down to it's area selection, analyze, and schematic saving functions which have no restrictions. I find it impossible to argue that it isn't a blatant x-ray, a genre of mod that would not make it on the approved mods list.

I feel like you aren't saying it right. People can exploit with it. Just like they can with every other mod and vanilla... It cant be "unintentional" in that case. Its intentional. and the restrictions are pretty clear... You have to have the chunks loaded... and since mods and admins constnatly spectate people its pretty obvious if someone is using it for xray mining straight to it...

@Casey_Fluffbat The degree in which Litematica allows you to exploit, even unintentionally, is almost exactly like x-ray and allows you to pinpoint player made structures with ease- even easier than what I quickly demonstrated in the video I had made. You can get right down to the block, and even see a cross section of what you've located with a schematic like you're in spectator mode. Bobby has some flaws in rendering the chunks where you sometimes see down into the ground, but it's very spotty, distant, and too cumbersome to be consistent, and all around irrelevant considering anything else someone nefarious could use.

Bobby can be a separate discussion, but has absolutely no standing against what Litematica is capable of.

Can u actually exploit it unintentional? bc Ive been using it for a while now and never seen the "exploit" as you call it

@GondolaMan The problem is, is that the other ways are illegal, banned, not allowed. The fact you also see the potential for abuse should surely make you want it banned too. I agree you'll never stop cheating, but do not allow a tool that can be used for those purposes.

Farm - if it dosnt work, you built it wrong. Learn, figure it out. This mod isny only widely open to abuse but, in my opinion its paint by number too.

The main reason for mods being disallowed is due to them offering unfair advantages to other players. Its ticks every box. The average player would not know the potential expliots that would indeed be available to them.

These are just my concerns, if the mod remains, it remains. But i feel i should at least voice my concerns.

So by your logic Optifine should be banned, Bobby should be banned because both of these mods CAN be abused. Also what is this "I agree you'll never stop cheating, but do not allow a tool that can be used for those purposes." I dont cheat. Litematica I only use for building lmfao. Bobby the whole spectator thing isnt my fault and I dont purposefuly do it... it just happens

@GondolaMan I've had a look at this particular mod and honestly, I can see too many ways to abuse it.
Farms not working? Cut and paste to single player.
Find what could be a base, signs of player activity ...cut and paste to single player.
I'm sure with that kinda data you could even attempt to get the seed.

Genuine concern.
Thank you.

While I agree that there are ways to abuse this mod, if people truley wanted to cheat and do such things there are much easier mods that u can use to do such things... In order to find "signs of player activity" You yourself have to go out and load the chunks yourself and by that point youve basically already loaded the chunks.... To do such things would take a LOT longer than it would be worth. What do you consider wrong with copy and pasting a farm that doesnt work from multiplayer to singleplayer? Not actually trying to fight you on this just curious why this is such a problem? Admins/Crafty go into detail to see what all can be abused for mods that can possibly be abused which is why they take quiet a bit of time to approve said mods. To add on to this you could really argue every mod has a kind of form of cheating. Bobby mod when the server is lagging can basically xray and show basically what u would see in spectator if a chunk fails to load. Every mod can be abused.

@j____a____r____d I know, it's crazy right that the old players don't play anymore, they shouldn't get a say at all in the current community. Now please apply your reasoning back to 2018 and 2019 when the old players actually were active all the time, and we were complaining about shit like ocean generation crashing the server every single minute, villagers constantly disappearing due to lag, or constant lag when the server goes above 10 players.

Can you understand why we don't play anymore now, or do I need to break it down?

I understand that because I played back then too. But that wasnt something they could control. You can't help Mojangs shit game code. But to add to what Ive already said. Minecraft constantly is changing, and well frankly I guess is TRYING to get better despite all their fuckups, but the entirety of the point is because its changing some of yall havent even come on to see the changes. all of those problems are problems anymore. Lag is still and issue but thats vanilla for you. Nothing can be done except installing spigot or some other QOL mod and thats Craftys decision. I talked to him the otehr day about it and he said hes been hard thinking about it. Its not fallen on deaf ears but yeah..

@j____a____r____d You explaining why a ban in Discord happened is completely irrelevant to the fact that long time players and even recent players like Casey Fluffbat were challenging the absolutely insane logic that is:

we will ban vanilla pie ray because it can be used to xray, despite having a legitimate use of checking for lag
we will allow litematica because it has a legitimate use for builds, despite it also having a glorified xray function

Or the fact that the server has been advertised as allowing raiding and griefing for over a decade at this point, yet spawn city is arbitrary chosen as "too close to 0,0" and griefing it will get you banned despite it being completely unprotected.

You know this. You are intentionally derailing the thread from the original topic of us grieving that the staff have, for years, refused to listen to anything the old players have to say.

I think its kinda hard to listen to old players when they don't even play on the server is all I'm saying. Like why should people who haven't joined the server in years think they are knowledgeable enough to know what the server needs when they have yet to join the server? To me that doesn't make sense. You would want to hear from the current playerbase to see what could be made better.. I guess yall can't see that.

@SharpSerac Right, like you didn't accidentally leak your private discord server link while playing rust on twitch. Okay lol

You watching my twitch? Crazy! but yeah looks lil photoshopped tbh. why not ss the entire discord?

@SharpSerac

Nice photoshop!