i would like to ask the staff to delete any posts that aren't applications, thanks. this thread doesn't need to be cluttered @Blackened_Dawn @Venetorem

@R4iscool1 Noobs don't need you to tell them they can't go to the end because it's hurts other players spawn rates, if they want to go let them.

again, i don't know why you think we're completely preventing the new players from going to the end. there will still be a portal they can walk to lmao

i'm done here, there's just no arguing with you is there

@R4iscool1 We aren't going to move it to make it harder for them because you want more spawns.

first off, this is the point where you put yourself in the position as the big wig that makes decisions for the server, so you can't say you didn't do that lol.

@R4iscool1 You are claiming that the End portal should be moved because noobs may not know what they are doing in the end, that is a claim that puts your rights to the end above a noobs. It's quite simple to follow.
Of course everyone will have to go that way, it will just disproportionately affect noobs, lead to more rage quits and there's the whole thing that the majority of the server doesn't feel like getting camped going to the end.

i'm not putting my rights before noobs, i'm putting existing players before the newer players. not their rights, just what i feel would be better for them.

this discussion will honestly get me nowhere, and i have things i need to do which are more important than a block game. i'll let other people argue from here

@NerdieBirdieYT @Dennari43 Well said.

@SharpSerac I'm truly not trying to be rude, but I do want to point out this legit just sounds like you whining: "But I love pvp and so do my friends!" Exclude Team Eye, and almost everyone who has played this server for a decent amount of time will tell you that the community isn't largely PVP-based. It's just not. Team Eye does not equal the majority of people.

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And I'll restate this to go along with what Dennari said - I still fail to see an issue with the portal's current location. Enderman grinder spawns seem fine to me. If it's an issue then move it somewhere else in spawn, but turning it into Team Eye's playground doesn't seem like a good idea for a server with a fairly peaceful community.

I agree with @R4iscool1 on this one.

nerdie, why would you join a server that has pvp enabled if you want to expressly avoid pvp? sounds illogical right?

@R4iscool1 Of course there is multiple portals in the world however it's inevitable that the closest one will be used.
Not only that but it would need some sort of protection to prevent it being a nuked hole in the ground making it the defacto end portal since it may be the only one not lava casted over.
They can't be camped at the spawn funnel, they can at the closest ender portal as happened when we used to not have one in spawn which directly lead to it being moved to spawn for the reasons I'm illustrating.

you know, i happened to be there during that time the end portal wasn't in spawn and i don't remember it being a big crater. i knew there were some people that camped it but that just made it all the more fun because there was risk going to the end. also if you wanted to go to the other portals just use a nether portal lmao it's really not that hard.

@R4iscool1 Secondly, the anti log is as good as we can get in vanilla without publishing people with bad connections and having issues on restarts. It directly contradicts your claim we never cater to pvpers.

why is it that you always bring up bad connection as an issue? i can tell you right now that @Qfu thrives on his shit connection and he will confirm this as will @iwarriiori. the amount of people who will lag out during pvp i can tell you right now will be <0.1% because lagging out in and of itself doesn't happen that often. and in the case of restarts, it's really simple to add an exception to the pvp logging rule or reset the pvp log scoreboard after everyone is kicked from the server and before the server is stopped. i wouldn't put it past crafty to find a way around your supposed problem. also the thing about you catering to the pvpers? i'll agree that things were added for us, but i don't think that they ultimately help us that much in the end.

@R4iscool1 Thirdly, I know the chances are low. That's because people don't want to pvp. The server doesn't revolve around team eye and other pvpers wishes. If people don't wish to be found and engage in pvp that's their right. We shouldn't force them too, just to please some pvpers.

just go ahead and answer this question for me right now, i'll even bold it for you so you can't miss it:
WHY WOULD YOU JOIN A SERVER WHICH HAS PVP IF YOU EXPRESSLY WANT TO AVOID PVP? THERE ARE OTHER SERVERS IN WHICH PVP IS DISABLED.

@R4iscool1 I'm sorry you don't feel we cater to you enough but the fact is pvpers are a small minority therefore in the interst of the majority of players we do what they want, which isn't creating more spots they can be pvped without consent.

how would you know if people that enjoy pvp are a small minority? you've never polled the entire playerbase, i'm sure a lot of people who like pvp don't even have god gear but who would ever know?

@R4iscool1 Noobs have just as much right to end as you, doesn't matter if they don't know what they are doing. We aren't going to move it to make it harder for them because you want more spawns.

i don't know why you keep restating this, no one is infringing upon their right to go to the end. did you know that by moving the portal then everyone, not just the new players will have to go to the portal outside spawn? also since when are you the sole decider for changes to the server? last time i checked crafty was the owner, not you.

@iwarriiori In the case that the end portal were to be removed from spawn and portals close by would be camped, players could easily use invis pots to sneak by said campers to enter the end safely, since invis pots were enabled recently.

You can thank me for that bud

i would like to point out that team eye applications are now open. just follow the link
https://forum.craftymynes.com/6533-team-eye-application-official

furthermore, i would like to add that the pvp arena is only useful for those that want to pvp. that number is already an underwhelming minority, but couple this fact with the fact that others can jump in to a fight which was once a fair 1 on 1 and now make it a 2 on 1 fight instantly. this makes a lot of people afraid to actually fight in there, hence why it is barely ever used. i can guarantee you if i had an alternate account and decided to play through the entire game from noob to god gear and above without being killed by another player, i could do it a thousand times over. this server caters way too much to the non-pvpers on a server where pvp is enabled by designating us to an arena that has too many faults to be considered a good place where pvp can happen. i actually think that there should be more areas in which players have to go around other players so that more pvp can actually occur, however the one being discussed right now is the end portal which by moving it would actually help more than just the pvpers, it would help the regular player that wants unobstructed spawns at their farms by new players that don't know what exactly they're doing in the end

also, there is still a natural progression on servers whether you want to believe there is one or not. it's just a matter of whether or not you want to see it. you don't magically start out with full diamond armor, you work towards it. you can join a server and within 10 minutes have steak and full iron armor. starting with that i don't feel is a big enough deviation from natural progression. i do, however, think that giving them access right from spawn the ability to go to the end (ironically enough, the end is an "end game" dimension, hence the name that was given to it) completely turns the progression on it's head. at least make them walk a thousand blocks, it's not going to kill them

@R4iscool1 Well we cater to the majority and I disagree that we don't cater to pvp, we have the pvp arena for pvpers to fight if they wish, we even added anti log after complaints. The whole wilderness is pvp too, plenty of opportunities without funneling everyone through one portal.
We don't cater to pvpers to the detriment of other players, that's not how it works.

No I don't have statistics but I think it would be disingenuous to claim otherwise, a simple spot poll of the server chat would verify this, sure pvpers often claim there is a lack of people pvping.

Servers don't have a natural progression, the fact you start with iron armour and steak itself interferes with the natural progression, that's just the nature of SMP unless you go for one of the pure pure survival servers.
Newbies may want epearls or houses in the end that's their right.

first off, there are multiple end portals in a world, not just one. so you aren't funneling people through one end portal which is ironically what is happening right now.

secondly, the anti log in the arena only announces that you're a logger and has no real repercussions, especially to those who don't care if people call them a pvp logger (i'd say 95% of craftymynes' playerbase).

third, yes there are a lot of areas where people can pvp. what are your chances of seeing someone randomly outside of spawn literally anywhere but the main end island? lemme just tell you it's not a high chance. i think it's very disingenuous to say that this is a server where you "can pvp" but then say "oh well a lot of people don't want to pvp on the server so we should have a lot of safety nets for those players." no. this server is advertised as having pvp and raiding/griefing. they knew that when they found the server, so they know what they're getting into. if i go and create a server and advertise it as a grief and raid server but then it turns out there's also land claim and i just say "well if you can find a way around the land claim or find a base without it you can grief and raid all you want" wouldn't you say it was disingenuous to advertise it that way in the first place?

finally, no one is stopping the new players from going out and getting enderpearls. it's just not going to be as simple as "walk down those stairs right there and get to the end" it'll be more like "here's three sets of coordinates, choose one and be careful because there might be people there" which to me doesn't seem like we're infringing upon their right to go to the end.