are you selling the egg?

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@R4iscool1 Like I said the game rule is set by default to be true and what people think the Devs intended is irrelevant in a sandbox game. Especially since it's your own opinions on what they think.

The gamerule is only set to true because teams are supposed to be TEAMS. They're meant for team-based gamemodes, hence why you can't see invisible people on other teams, but you can see invis players on your own team.

@R4iscool1 The devs intended invisibility potions to make you invisible in certain circumstances which they do.
The devs also created a sandbox game so you could so what you want not be tied in the game the way they choose.
It is not safe to assume that, nor is actually relevant.

It makes perfect sense to raid a monument with invisibility pots, it's an easy way to raid an end game structure without good armour or bothering to kill every mob in the way. The whole idea of giving something a use doesn't entirely follow either, should be now give nitwit villagers a use?
If there's no legitimate reason then why should be modify it.

Somehow I doubt when fighting people are watching tab all that closely in a pvp fight.
The same applies to looking for particles.

That's fine you can trey sneak and watch afar and perhaps you should do that, it does not constitute an argument for changing that rule however does it?

I think we have reached the limit of where discussion will lead us with this, it's up to the players to say what they think now and finally for crafty to come to a decision.

I honestly think you're going against me for the sake of going against me. You know that nitwits have no use in the actual game, but invis pots do. This thread isn't about giving them a use, it's about fixing them so that they have their original use. Also, if you're in the arena fighting someone, you're stuck in there because of the combat tag, so it doesn't make sense to use an invis pot to go in there to catch someone off guard anyways. I'd like to hear @CraftyMyner 's thoughts

@R4iscool1 I don't really get at what you are trying to say in the first segment, the point was that what you or I or anyone else suppose the devs intended isnt all that relevant. How does what you said invalidate that 9
It's normal players that I'd be concerned about anyway is its far from irrelevant, that they can see you. The very fact you don't want them to be able to see you shows the advantages it can provide and precisely how relevant it is.

The devs intended invisibility potions to make you invisible to other players, that's why it's called an invisibility potion. Since CraftyMynes is a vanilla server which is SURVIVAL, it's safe to assume that you are meant to be invisible to everyone.

@R4iscool1 Invisibility pot is far from useless, like I said it's a great way to raid dungeons, monuments and end ships without getting detected by mobs.
They aren't as useful as they could be but that applies to many of the rarely used potions to.
Well surely the opposite should apply then since your team seems to be the one that complains the most about logging and people running away then surely you should support keeping it harder to escape?

Invisibility potions are useless as they are right now. If you have any sort of gear it doesn't make sense to use an invis pot to raid any structures. I'd rather have people use invis pots than log on me, you can still find people who are invis by looking at the particles left by them when they run on the ground, the potion particles, and the sounds they make.

@R4iscool1 Just imagine the teaming potential too, player 1 enters arena and fights an opponent then while he's distracted partners can equip armour and fight.

You can hold tab and see who's in the arena anyways, so using an invisibility potion wouldn't make too much of a difference.

@R4iscool1 I think this is a problem because people don't want to be sneaked upon?

You can still sneak and watch people from afar.

@R4iscool1 There is no need to get rude.
That is completely your own opinion, so please don't state it like a fact, the wiki states its intended for Mapmakers and operators to keep track of players in myriad ways which describes our own usage quite well.
The whole argument of what the DEV's intended is irrelevant anyway which was kinda my point.

You can already keep track of players by using spectator mode. If I were to go invisible I'd be invisible to everyone but normal players, so this argument you made is invalid.

@R4iscool1 I'm going to correct that, you didn't say that, you just intended to say that which is kind of different, anyway
If it doesn't give an advantage in PVP then why change the value from default at all ?
It doesn't really follow.
Personally I think the ability to sneak up on people and track them does provide an advantage in a fight and that its not something I would like to make more effective.

Even though it doesn't give you an advantage in PVP, I would like invisibility potions to have an actual use, because right now they're useless, wouldn't you agree? Not everything about the invisibility potion has to do with PVP. In fact, it can be used to avoid PVP altogether, you should want invisibility potions to be fixed.

@R4iscool1 I'm not against PVP, I'm against what you consider to be PVP which seems to be fighting anyone and everything for the edgyness of it as opposed to fighting those who wish to for the sake of actual PVP, you can play how you like of course but that doesn't mean the server has to change for you.
Once again I question how this would benefit pvp on the server if it doesn't provide an advantage according to you either.

I don't think I was the one who made this about PVP, but I definitely wouldn't use them for PVP. Player vs player means just that. You're able to fight whoever you want, when you want to. We don't do it for edginess, we do it because it's fun and exciting. I'm even suggesting an option to legitimately get away from a PVP situation without logging. My original post didn't even mention PVP, I like being sneaky and I want to be invisible, why is this such a problem?

@R4iscool1 The developers intended for teams to not be able to invisible to each-other hence why it's default set to true.

There are no words to describe the amount of facepalm in this quote here. Mojang created teams for team-based gamemodes that people would want to make. Seeing as how teams on this server are used only for player ranks, I think it's safe to say that survival is not a team-based gamemode and therefore you should not be allowed to see other invisible players.

@R4iscool1 That is true I was more concerned with actual spawn but there's absolutely no reason to make the job harder and encourage it either for that matter.

As stated above by @OtherGreenGamer he can camp the spawns anyways since he's VIP+. There's a ton of VIP players on this server so they could all camp the spawns.

If you meant actual overworld spawn, people could just use RTP. Besides, the amount of directions you could choose to walk outside of spawn make it unlikely that you could camp outside.

@R4iscool1 Then why implement it at all if it provides no advantage according to you ?

I said it didn't provide an advantage in a sense that one player gets the advantage while others do not. The only advantage it gives in PVP is that you can't be seen by the other players if you have no armor and are not holding an item, but even then you can still see particles.

@R4iscool1 The question is more along the lines of do we want to make raiding and pvp more effective ?
I personally do not and I feel a large contingent of the server would agree with that sentiment too.

You'd know you're being raided if stuff in your base is being broken, and if they're completely invisible you can hit them with a sharp 5 sword and damn near 1 shot them. If you're being raided in the first place you haven't done a very good job of keeping your base a secret, therefore it would be your fault.

I have a question for you. Why are you so against PVP on this server? You seem to be against everything that encourages PVP for no apparent reason.

@R4iscool1 I feel as if you didn't read my post at all.
I am well aware how the invisibility potion works here, I don't think anyone was unclear on that.
Your very point admits what I'm describing is a problem, it makes it very easy to spawncamp noobs who currently as soon as they exit spawn can see you and retreat easily.

Well camping spawn is already against the rules, so if people do use it to camp end or nether spawn then they are breaking the rules.

To address the rest of your response, it can't be an advantage if everyone has access to it. Also, if you want to be fully invisible you can't wear armor, so just look at where the sword is hitting you and hit them (because they would have no armor).

The developers intended the invisibility potion to make you invisible to other players, they put limitations on it so that it would not be overpowered.

The benefit would be that invisibility potions wouldn't be completely useless unlike how they are now.

Since I feel like most of you missed the point of this post entirely, I'll make this really simple.

Player A is a normal player (White name)
Player B is also a normal player
Player C is a VIP

Player A goes invisible
Player B can still see player A
Player C CANNOT see player A

Basically, if you are of the same rank in-game, you can see each other if you are invisible. I want to make it so you are also invisible to players of the same rank.

And for those of you thinking it would encourage spawn camping, you can make specific teams see each other if they are invisible so if you're both in spawn you can see each other, but as soon as you go out into the wilderness you are now invisible.

@R4iscool1 It's quite hard for staff to catch invisible players, if the usage of invisible pots becomes mainstream then that represents a big issue.

I don't think you got the point of my post. Currently if you drink an invisibility potion you are only invisible to people who are on a DIFFERENT team than you are. This means that if we are outside of spawn and I drink an invisibility potion, you won't be able to see me, but someone who is a normal player who hasn't gotten VIP or a staff rank will be able to see me.

@R4iscool1 There is also huge potential for spawn camping with this too which is something to be discouraged.

As stated in the OP, this can be activated on a TEAM BY TEAM BASIS, meaning that the spawn team will be UNAFFECTED by the change. This will only change when you are outside of spawn and on the same team (AKA you are both VIP or you are both normal players).

@Valgys The problem with it being minecraft is that many are playing without the intention of PVP. A change like this would largely benefit those very few who actively on prey on players, who would then in turn be forced to use it to protect themselves while away from their base.

I would say the use of the invisibility potion across the server would largely depend on how much the PVPers use it. Which is probably going to be a lot of use.

As much as I like the trading aspects to it, as a player I anticipate more harm than good to the server from this and would vote against it.

Invisibility potions do have drawbacks, you can see the potion particles around someone if they are invisible, the player still makes sounds while walking around, and you can't wear armor or hold items if you want to completely be invisible. They won't make too much of an impact on PVP, but they will definitely be useful. Also, this could actually even help the people looking to avoid PVP. In trouble? Chug an invisibility potion and run for your life.