Debated on whether or not I would even bother, especially considering there was no way to get a direct answer (7 day discord mute + forum only discussion + 2 week wait for appeal). I decided to make this early because what exactly am I waiting for?

"Reason: We need a break, and I think you do too, you may appeal in 2 weeks."

Not sure what I'm supposed to make of this besides guessing. Since this was within hours of making a forum post asking if MVP's get additional benefits, I will assume that's related. That post was a result of what I felt I could do to bring attention to an issue with a player that was initially ignored by staff while not referencing their name (because that would be locked or deleted), and bringing my concern to the forums as repeatedly directed by staff to everyone. Don't know what to do differently there. Did it sound like a joke? It wasn't.

Speaking of the ban itself, what exactly does it have to do with the server? Was there something that happened THERE that warranted it? I don't recall anything personal, inappropriate, hateful, etc. leading up to this. No warnings or prior moderation history either. Seems indiscriminately harsh.

Nothing else I have to go off of on my end.

Decided to make this thread as I felt this was unclear to me. If I donate for MVP status, does that permit or excuse otherwise rule-breaking behavior? For example: Offensive/inappropriate language, alluding to commiting acts of violence?

If so I'd rather not donate that amount, as that does not sit right with me.

Thanks!

@CommanderCat_ We ask players not to cheat. That is the same thing we ask of those using litematica. In the same way pieray is banned, abuse of litematica is too. Caseys video was misleading in terms of the high render distance and saying it can be done from anywhere. You cannot just set the coords and get a world download and search for chests. Every chunk has to be manually loaded. Which for those that seek to do you harm would just use an actual cheat client. For those that are worried people will be scouring the world analyzing for bases the steps necessary are so much more difficult than xray or even just using pieray as that updates automatically as chunks get loaded and de-loaded. Mass elytra chunk searching would not only require you to go M>area editor>analyze area>search for your query. Rinse and repeat. There are no keybind shortcuts, and the query does not save. The cache would have to be repeatedly cleansed as well. The amount of keystrokes required to make it work is just not worth any cheaters time. If it looks like x-ray you get banned for x-ray. Whether its pieray abuse, litematica abuse, a bobby render bug, etc. Cheaters that join the server will most likely get banned long before they start running around .wild saving schematics. And on that note, maybe you have a NASA supercomputer to load giant schematics but I certainly don't. The same rules to hide your base from pieray abuse still apply. As far as avoiding letting vines, kelp, bamboo, etc grow too long, etc etc etc. Safest place to store your loot is and always will be an enderchest or a billion miles out in the nether.

The issue is you don't have to scan every chunk, you just fly until you see player evidence (enderman placed blocks, lava/waterfalls loaded, grass eaten, full grown vegetation, looted structures, portals, creeper craters, items on the ground, oceans where sand/gravel isn't falling, broken kelp that's already at the water's surface, etc etc etc) which is first page, basehunting 101. Whatever someone may use comes AFTER this task, otherwise you're wasting your time. This significantly narrows things down, and with enough of it you can encircle where a base may be.

To add, even just the distribution of villagers or animals away from their spawn origin is evidence.

@ThePhoenix I feel like you aren't saying it right. People can exploit with it. Just like they can with every other mod and vanilla... It cant be "unintentional" in that case. Its intentional. and the restrictions are pretty clear... You have to have the chunks loaded... and since mods and admins constnatly spectate people its pretty obvious if someone is using it for xray mining straight to it...

You didn't address the point I'm making. How are these functions, as a part of Litematica, different from x-ray? How does one get approved over the other here?

Yes someone CAN just try to use x-ray anyway, there is no filter for clients sneaking in, but what about attaching a building function to one would make it acceptable? What is the point of the approved mods list?

@ThePhoenix Can u actually exploit it unintentional? bc Ive been using it for a while now and never seen the "exploit" as you call it

Unintentionally as in Litematica enables players to exploit, even if that isn't intended.

"Intended" fades out when Litematica is boiled down to it's area selection, analyze, and schematic saving functions which have no restrictions. I find it impossible to argue that it isn't a blatant x-ray, a genre of mod that would not make it on the approved mods list.

@ThePhoenix So by your logic Optifine should be banned, Bobby should be banned because both of these mods CAN be abused. Also what is this "I agree you'll never stop cheating, but do not allow a tool that can be used for those purposes." I dont cheat. Litematica I only use for building lmfao. Bobby the whole spectator thing isnt my fault and I dont purposefuly do it... it just happens

The degree in which Litematica allows you to exploit, even unintentionally, is almost exactly like x-ray and allows you to pinpoint player made structures with ease- even easier than what I quickly demonstrated in the video I had made. You can get right down to the block, and even see a cross section of what you've located with a schematic like you're in spectator mode. Bobby has some flaws in rendering the chunks where you sometimes see down into the ground, but it's very spotty, distant, and too cumbersome to be consistent, and all around irrelevant considering anything else someone nefarious could use.

Bobby can be a separate discussion, but has absolutely no standing against what Litematica is capable of.

@j____a____r____d You explaining why a ban in Discord happened is completely irrelevant to the fact that long time players and even recent players like Casey Fluffbat were challenging the absolutely insane logic that is:

we will ban vanilla pie ray because it can be used to xray, despite having a legitimate use of checking for lag
we will allow litematica because it has a legitimate use for builds, despite it also having a glorified xray function

I love this server, more than any I've previously come across. I try to stay within the lines of what is acceptable on a server, and not make a big fuss of things because I just don't have the physical and mental energy to keep that up. At some point though I have to speak my mind.

Since I'm a basehunter and have been doing it solo for many years in different places, it's no question I'd pick up on using the pie chart. Any edge while staying within the confines of game is going to be used, it's inevitable. But since being involved in the discussion I feel like despite being very open about how I do things and having a deep understanding of what it takes to basehunt, I've not been seen as a critical asset to making a decision and more of a tree to pick cherries from. While I don't like to take things too seriously, I think it's beneficial I start speaking up more.

I think this a good place for new players to start and get established having a welcoming place with resources, though be careful!

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