@Cutebot @GrinningBobcat XD

It was like having a god amongst us, we crouched and all backed away and said yes to everything like if our lives depend on it. Now we know Dawn is the equivalent to a very grumpy spike.

@Cutebot I did the same as @Dennari43 and @Valgys , as soon as I first joined the server, about 7 months ago, I walked around spawn and tried to figure out what was happening. Had I spawned in an rtp, I would've thought there wasn't a spawn, and I would have quit immediately. I probably would have thought that the owner of the server hacked somehow to get the server so many votes! It would have been like he made the server like 2 days ago. To me, not knowing that there is a lobby area makes me think the server is...

stupid

Anyways, this is my opinion on the topic, hope this helps!

Aye, same, all you have to do is wander to find out what you need. I didn't get staff's help or attention until I spam killed @Silver_Ninja05 and Dawn popped up and scared us.

Interpretation is also not anything factual, it's entirely opinionated. And genuine or not, it doesn't prove the point I am making. If you do a little more research that isn't directed exactly at the outcome you want and you'll see unbiased research. And there have been plenty of studies to solve whether animals can have deep thoughts. Some are to a degree aware of themselves, but there requires a higher brain function to think critically. And I don't mean instinctual or survivalistic problem solving like using rocks or twigs to open food and things like that. I mean critical thinking, deep-seated thought processes that are not evident in animal brains. There's a lot stopping animals from being higher creatures like humans. They are limited by their brains which are all underdeveloped in comparison to a human one. Or, throw science aside for a second, and just take the observation that humans are the dominant beings on the earth and despite what the "Plant of the Apes" movies told us, monkeys will never grow to our level of intelligence and be equal to us in brain capacity and power. But believe what you want, cause there will always be people out there trying to prove otherwise. So no matter how long this goes on for, there will be people backing both of our points up. Lets just leave it at that and move on, cause nothing good is going to come out of this particular discussion.

It's not about what good it provides it's what the topic spurs. I understand your point and fully accept it, but is it wrong to wonder if some animals are capable of deeper thought like ours in the slightest degree?

@gilbertboys Quick everyone! What is your opinion on designer babies/ genetic engineering on humans!
I think it could backfire and ruin everything by creating new terrible genetic disorders but could be super useful in curing everything from color blindness to huntington's disease. In the future I think designer babies benefit the world though if only some people have them [certain countries, upper classes etc] are able to use such services it could create big divides between rich and poor and mess up a lot of things.
Overall I think it would be a benefit but need to be handled carefully.

I mean it's on how willing we are willing to accept the idea because of the ethnics behind it, same thing with stem cell research. It's a step in humanity like any other, a double edge sword that can swing one way for good and another way for bad.

Pro: Cures for disorders and stronger immunities from genetic editing

Con: Genetically stronger designed soldiers, (Their existence having the purpose given to them by the people that edited their genetics)

@Dennari43 Good way to break rules if we start talking about different kinds of religions and belief systems. I advice not doing so, unless it's just a general outlook on life. And our bias shouldn't have anything to do with a thread about discussing different views of things. Everyone has a bias and pinpointing it will just allow others to brush off certain views because they don't agree with or like someone's "bias." As long as the claim is legitimate, they have no reason to announce their personal beliefs if they don't want to.

Fair enough

I'm going to edit the first comment so that people have to state any potential bias they have before discussing anything.

Example of bias: I have a christian-influenced background but I am no agnostic (Means you don't know if their is a god[s] and won't deny the possibility of there being any). I come from a lower middle class Hispanic family from Puerto Rico but a couple generations back my family's bloodline is from Spain. I am a realist that's varies in optimism meaning sometimes I've got faith in humanity and sometimes I feel like we're all doomed. I believe in the existence of evolution but as for human's origins involving evolution I won't deny the possibility of it being wrong but I still favor it since it makes sense. I have little else to say so that's it.

@Dennari43 A lot happened in WW2, be specific. I don't know what you're referring to exactly. If anything refuting my point earlier, refer back to the "bad is an ambiguous word" post.

If you wanna believe you're no better than a monkey then go ahead dude. I can't convince you on anything here. I'm no expert on this stuff, just have my opinions. Recognizing oneself versus being able to understand the concept of being able to understand the concept of things and other deep thought and existential based human abilities are 2 very different things, yet people that want to believe humans are just smart animals often combine these 2 different concepts to make their arguments valid. Dogs see themselves in mirrors all the time, you don't see us running around saying we're all part dog now do you? Seeing yourself in a mirror has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Just set aside that WW2 because I fear this thread will be locked from talking of the events.

As for the animal discussion... The video is an experiment, meaning it's going to give results we have to interpret. If a human is capable of thought, communication, expression, memory, and recognition what's stopping animals? We can't read their thoughts so what's to say they don't wonder about their origins? What's to say they don't try and understand US, the strangers to them. When a person sees themselves and associate the image they see with themselves is that not self-consciousness? I feel you didn't bother to watch the video due to the title but this is genuine.

@Dennari43 Bad is an ambiguous word. It changes meaning from person to person. What do you mean by bad people if not "people that do bad things." Wouldn't a person that shows no remorse and repeatedly does those bad things over and over again or has no regret for doing something horrific be considered, at the very least, a bad person? When a dog does something bad, do we not say "bad dog"? It's a punishment term for those that have committed an action considered bad. So by extension, a person that does something bad and doesn't feel sorry for it (just to appease your opinion because we are not inherently bad once we do one bad thing, especially if we regret and rebuke the action) would be a bad person.
When I wrote the comment, I was thinking of a mass murdering, power-hungry individual that you cannot argue was a bad person. And I do believe I was the other person in that conversation of twisted values before this.

By basic scientific definition, yes we are animals. But we are also the only beings in existence that are conscious of our own thoughts and can think about existential things. We as humans are extremely unique and differ too much from animals to honestly be classified as animals. Yes we are made of muscle and blood and move around and all that, but we are so much more at the same time. I'd figure someone that believes us as just animals is not gonna have a very happy life wandering around thinking they're equal to a cow. If that sounds a little harsh it's only because I cannot wrap my mind around that low an opinion of humans. It's all very interesting stuff to wonder about, but plain and simple, humans are not, on a deeper level, equal to animals.

About your bad people part: let me get a little historical as an example by saying The European part of WW2.

As for the animal part:

@gilbertboys MORE QUESTIONS
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Changes for the server:
Changes for minecraft:
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My answers: I wish the server was more lax on the usage of caps and maybe a little harder on swearing, at least I think that would drive more people away then caps.
For Minecraft I wouldn't mind seeing the addition of more mobs and improvements to minecarts.

@gilbertboys swearing is adult language but it's considered immature use it or don't. Caps is annoying in the Minecraft font and causes spam if people only use it for there entire sentence

@_Confederacy_ When society changes its opinion regarding certain ideas, these ideas become accepted as normal. When society has new leaders/people who dont have the same opinion, these leaders/people will influence society and create the change needed to suit their opinions, and the new opinions will become normal. This creates a cycle of the same ideas being accepted/revoked by the majority.

But don't we the people impact that as well? Leaders can't make influence over the world if they rule over no one @_Confederacy_