@Mabzino anything one player has a good faction has x 20 or more
pretty simple concept

Not if the player is better than the faction.
Its a pretty simple concept quality over quantity.
They are useful but they aren't necessarily the most powerful entity on the server.

Fish has a rather good outlook on it.

It doesnt really represent vanilla survival gamestyle either.
Seems like a way to just encourage people to break entity rules and become lazier with animals

@Captain_Mitchell Wait so we could possibly get our bases from the 1.8.9 server? That would be nice but I don't need mine anymore

We have discussed this before.
Its impratical, possibly if we add it as a seperate donate.

@Mabzino two players isn't a faction

plenty of player do long shifts, no player does long shifts of 10 hours just farming and trading emeralds (or more in a big faction) as in splitting it between 10-20 people so they only do 30 mins each or whatever, while others simultaneously build, raid, pvp etc

the top can be reached in vanilla in about a week of playing 6 hours a day if you're alone, probably half that if you're with someone else
which is why I said in vanilla there is barely any incentive for factions

True it was just an example number.
Manpower is somewhat irrelvant with auto farms that only require the chunk to be loaded.
During which time that person can improve their base etc.
One player can undoubtly match a faction with dedication and skill.

Manpower is irrelvant to a degree, a good player can do things far more efficiently than two mediocre players.

There is plenty of players that do long shifts on the server equivalent to most factions.

There isnt much point for a faction either, it hasnt stopped me particually. Many view it as a race to the top.

@ORCA_Gnome r4 I see you doing jackshit.

Nice to know.
Im sure your still salty over your base but thats no excuse not be nice.

@Mabzino like what?
a legitimate faction won't be raided by a single person, and they definitely won't be outfarmed or outbuilt

Why not ?
Whats stopping a person doing that and outfarming/Outbuilding.

@tsu Team Eye was the most skilled group when we all played I think... me, dark, warrior, flowerly, j rod, mindchronik, sharp, azoning. #2OP

In PVP maybe but theres more to skill than pvp and other than that you werent that impressive.

@Mabzino well yeah but an actual legitimate faction won't be bested by a single person, not like the dark brotherhood or whatever

In pvp maybe but any other skills can be bested by a good player.
They could definitely be raided into submission

Theres no reason why they cant make a superior faction and benefit the same way ordinary ones do.