@FishW But if a player produces 10 diamonds a day, and a faction of 5 produces 40 then our ratio are 1:10 player and 1:8 faction.

why?

@FishW Our lone player quickly acquires this and buys the elytra. A faction of 10 gets the 30 diamonds alot quicker then the player and buys the elytra

unrelated to power

@R4iscool1 faction will do this also yet another assumption.

@Mabzino a good faction

@R4iscool1 Not if the player is better than the faction.
Its a pretty simple concept quality over quantity.
They are useful but they aren't necessarily the most powerful entity on the server.

Fish has a rather good outlook on it.

a player again won't be trading items to villagers for 10-20 hours a day
a very good player can't compete monetarily with a good faction

@R4iscool1 True it was just an example number.
Manpower is somewhat irrelvant with auto farms that only require the chunk to be loaded.
During which time that person can improve their base etc.
One player can undoubtly match a faction with dedication and skill.

anything one player has a good faction has x 20 or more
pretty simple concept

@R4iscool1 Manpower is irrelvant to a degree, a good player can do things far more efficiently than two mediocre players.

There is plenty of players that do long shifts on the server equivalent to most factions.

There isnt much point for a faction either, it hasnt stopped me particually. Many view it as a race to the top.

two players isn't a faction

plenty of player do long shifts, no player does long shifts of 10 hours just farming and trading emeralds (or more in a big faction) as in splitting it between 10-20 people so they only do 30 mins each or whatever, while others simultaneously build, raid, pvp etc

@R4iscool1 There isnt much point for a faction either, it hasnt stopped me particually. Many view it as a race to the top.

the top can be reached in vanilla in about a week of playing 6 hours a day if you're alone, probably half that if you're with someone else
which is why I said in vanilla there is barely any incentive for factions

@R4iscool1 Why not ?
Whats stopping a person doing that and outfarming/Outbuilding.

Simply manpower.
An actual faction which has some level of organisation will have the farms run most hours of a day, with people constantly trading to villagers for emeralds, people constantly want to build either things like iron golem farms or villages to just aesthetically pleasurable projects.
In vanilla there is no incentive to do this, so it just doesn't happen. Once you attain a certain measure of wealth there's not much point in getting more aside from intrinsic gain as I said in the other thread

@R4iscool1 In pvp maybe but any other skills can be bested by a good player.
They could definitely be raided into submission

like what?
a legitimate faction won't be raided by a single person, and they definitely won't be outfarmed or outbuilt

@_Haxington_ Excuse me, when was the dark brotherhood bested by one player?

It was just disbaneded.

as in, in terms of power, wealth, building etc the only faction that really was more advanced than the top single players or duos at the time was apathy

@R4iscool1 Not really, there is a number of skilled players in which id like to include myself.
Having them team up is the problem.

but even skilled players aren't really bothered (as you said having them team up is the problem) especially in vanilla when there is just no need, there is no drive to continue gaining power aside from instrinsic gain, whereas in factions you have to do stuff like that, play industrially to survive and thrive

@R4iscool1 Sure they could, there was certainly people in 1.8 who were more powerful than most of the factions at the time in terms of wealth and facilities.

well yeah but an actual legitimate faction won't be bested by a single person, not like the dark brotherhood or whatever