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Pardon Appeal: ThePhoenix

  1. last year

    At the end of the day, CraftyMynes is owned by CraftyMyner.
    If he decides to unban everyone then he has that right, if he decides to ban everyone, he has that right.
    We are all playing on CraftyMynes at the pleasure of CraftyMyner.
    He does the best he can, and I hope it’s all we can expect from anyone.

    As for the rest of your rant, this is a server run by volunteers looking to give the best experience to like minded minecrafters. We may not always make the best or right decision, we may make different decisions now that some of the older volunteers have moved on.
    One thing is for certain, not a single staff member is out to make CraftyMynes unfair, unreasonable, unplayable, or unfun!

    We have a wide range of personalities on the server and appeasing them all is simply impossible. However, we do the best we can.

    Crafty made these forums for us all to be able to voice our opinions, and I’m glad you did. Some servers don’t allow such things.
    Your opinions and thoughts you carefully laid out will be discussed among admins and staff and we will do what we think is best for the server as a whole.
    Thanks for your feedback, and happy Myning!

  2. Edited last year by j____a____r____d

    @Slainte_Alainn At the end of the day, CraftyMynes is owned by CraftyMyner.
    If he decides to unban everyone then he has that right, if he decides to ban everyone, he has that right.

    "It's crafty's server and he can do whatever he wants" is a thinly veiled euphemism for "we don't have any way to hold staff accountable." All major communities nowadays have a code of conduct which applies to everyone in the community, which includes both the members and moderators/staff of the community.

    Everyone has a reasonable expectation of how moderators will act based on the CoC, and they are given an outline of a mechanism to follow when the moderation team acts out of line, usually via some kind of community management team that acts independently of the moderators or admins. This ensures that everyone will act in line and enforce community guidelines fairly.

    As it stands, CM has no CoC or any mechanism that holds everyone (including the staff) accountable. The rules are applied to just member infractions, whilst inconsistencies in how those rules are enforced are brushed off as "the staff can do whatever they want," which you are doing right now with this very hollow-worded PR/ChatGPT-esque response. This builds absolutely no assurance in anyone that the staff will act consistently in a way the playerbase would expect.

    Again, this is not a positive sign for a community that is struggling to retain players.

    Crafty does own the server -- but, he, and you, and the rest of the admins, since Green said the "admins and Crafty" came to the decision, should be able to explain why Phoenix was pardoned for using schematic mods, and how that logic doesn't also exempt the actions of previously banned "cheaters" -- for example, the countless number of people using Lunar Client for minimaps (which have been accepted recently) and the armor hud (which is being replicated by other client side mods).

    Here's some questions that I hope will illustrate the problem:

    • What is wrong with armor hud? Does it provide an advantage over vanilla players? Surely, minimaps and schematics do too because they make the lives of their users easier?
    • If they provide an advantage but it's an "acceptable" advantage like schematic supposedly brings, would armor hud be okay now? If so, given that Lunar client is used for its minimap and armor hud, if we accept both of these features then there's no real reason to ban people for using Lunar client and keep them banned, right?
    • If we can't allow Lunar client, why do we allow these other mods? Doesn't that make this an inconsistent enforcement of the rules? Shouldn't the rules be changed to reflect this?

    If there is a change to the rules that relaxes the punishments for what mods can and can not be used, this needs to be codified in a rule. It can not be decided by staff secretly making a decision in a private Discord channel that nobody from the outside can scrutinize. That's just a sheer lack of transparency, and again casts doubt on whether the staff can consistently enforce rules in this community in the first place.

    Anyways, I don't care how Phoenix acts nowadays because I don't actively play on CM anymore, and all of that drama between him and me and Team Eye and the staff was all pretty much half a decade ago. This isn't some attempt to revive a grudge against someone I've previously had beef with.

    What bothers me is the fact that staff is selecting one particular person and giving them so many chances excusing bannable behavior, without any clear reasoning behind it. Meanwhile, others were left permanently banned for using a minimap on Lunar Client with no second chances.

    There's also gnomechild who would just say dumb shit in chat, and then got himself permanently banned and exiled from the community for typing ".crash," with absolutely no second chances. How does it make any sense that a bunch of chat infractions would be treated harsher than portal griefing spawn, disrespecting staff's authority in Discord, making sexist remarks on International Women's Day, and using unapproved mods? Those are all four different infractions that would all warrant lengthy bans on their own.

  3. Edited last year by j____a____r____d

    @Th3GreenGamer (I cut out everything I'm not responding to for simplicity)
    For the part I bolded: This is an easy one. We are trying to come to a more reasonable approach to somebody seen to be using Lunar, schematic mods or hud mods etc. that are not cheating mods. We won't be unbanning all previous accounts banned for these things because we don't recall the specific circumstance of every single ban in the past 10 years. Not to mention that it's a monumental task for almost no returns. Maybe if they specifically appeal it would be considered, I don't know. And don't take that previous sentence as gospel, it's just my thought personally.

    Thank you for the clarification. It helps if these decisions made using rules that aren't yet written down can specify that "there are planned changes to the rules which would lead to this corrected decision." As it stands, "the admins have decided to revert this decision" doesn't clarify that at all, and just makes the decision making look inconsistent.

    @Th3GreenGamer (I cut out everything I'm not responding to for simplicity)
    Also there was no exchange between any staff and Phoenix about the ban. I don't believe Crafty and Phoenix had ever even spoken to eachother.

    This wasn't necessarily what I was getting at. I can understand that the decision for the "schematica ban" was made behind closed doors between the admins and Crafty, without the input of any other normal player, using the knowledge that the rules will be changing in the future. However, during the "portal grief ban" in 2019, let's call it that -- Phoenix was, notably, egregiously toxic to staff members in response to his punishment, in such a way that his ban was elevated to a permanent one , and the only form of recourse given to him was to email an appeal to owner@craftymynes.com.

    Unless he privately messaged another high-ranking staff member to unban him much later, it is reasonable to assume that he took that only measure to appeal the permaban by directly emailing CraftyMyner. Either way, both scenarios are not particularly good for transparency since the appeal process happened entirely behind closed doors. To this day, it is unknown to the general playerbase how Phoenix was unbanned, because no ban appeal can be found on the forums for it.

    Privately messaging or emailing a staff member to circumvent the ban appeal process is not a good thing for the community in general. Coupled with the decision to correct the punishment for the "schematica ban" it really doesn't look good.

  4. This forum is for CraftyMynes minecraft server - for people that actually play on the server. You have had your say.

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