Hi all,

I'm not even sure if this is possible, then again, I'm not a command block crafty wizard! :D
I know that many players, myself included, have tried building public structures that inevitably get destroyed by griefers. Some of these builds are highly creative construtions that most of us would love to take a look at, or just to use during gameplay.

My suggestion is this: whenever a player builds a structure that can bu usefull for the community, he/she could use this forum or PM an admin or any other wayl you can think of, to request protection to the specific coordinates.

Of course it would have to be investigated and aproved by the staff.
Then, in case you guys deem the build worthy, you could apply your crafty magic and some how protect that building/area from griefers and publicly release the coordinates.

People will still have a hard time getting there, but it would be cool to build something that the entire community could benefit. As I said, i don't even know if this is possible or if makes sense considering this is vanilla survival.

Anyway, this is my idea...
What do you guys think?

(by the way, i'm not a native english speaker, so sorry in advance for any language mistakes)

Its been suggested before and even implemented to an extent but this testing shows it cant be done, it either still gets greifed or would be unusable in adventure mode

@PenguinMytyMJ Its been suggested before and even implemented to an extent but this testing shows it cant be done, it either still gets greifed or would be unusable in adventure mode

Thanks!
thats a shame...

https://forum.craftymynes.com/325-1-9-base-protection
Its come up before in a diffrent form. Personally i couldnt see this happen in this way as it could take away from the raiding and griefing part of the server. I could also see a new player getting confused when finding one of these, and complain that we lied about allowing griefing.
A lot of our playerbase would probaly be against it too

This is just my opinion on this matter.

There is no point in protecting a public build.
Take the public end grinder for example: It is used by multiple people but still gets griefed, so people started repairing it and killing those who went in to destroy it. Having no protection teaches you the lesson that you can't trust everyone, which I think is useful on this server as your teammates / allies at any point may turn on you and if you have let them see classified info (builds, coords, etc.) then you can guess what they will do with that.

As you guys pointed out, this as been discussed before (i'm new to the server and didn' read all the posts), so i won´t press the subject (much :D).

@_Confederacy_ (...) It is used by multiple people but still gets griefed, so people started repairing it and killing those who went in to destroy it.(...)

ok, but when a griefer destroys a spawner block, there is nothing to repair...

@Dannysharks (...) Personally i couldnt see this happen in this way as it could take away from the raiding and griefing part of the server. I could also see a new player getting confused when finding one of these, and complain that we lied about allowing griefing.
A lot of our playerbase would probaly be against it too

Thanks for the link.
As I see it, it wouldn't take nothing away from the server, only add.
Only a very selected, worthy structures should be selected. Maybe only the owner would be able to aprove. I dunno.. but 98% of the structures would still be "griefable".
maybe only apply protection on the spawner block so that the structure itself could be repaired...

New players... nothing that a few signs around the area would't explain, or a quick server message or something like that

Anyway, it's done, it was already thought about...
Case closed.
Thanks

End grinders don't use spawners, they use endermites to attract hordes of ender man to a pit, just so you know.

i know, but all the others... in that specific case, no need to apply the protection then! it can be fixed. I dunno man, it was just a suggestion.
I understand raiding, it's the griefing part that upsets me!

endermites do that? wow i didnt know how it wrked actully!
p.s. yes griefing is bad raiding is ok.......its sad to see months of work go to waste in a few minutes

really the only thing you can do to protect yur build is to make it too big to grief or so good that others feel crappy about griefing it

Don´t get me wrong, it's not my buildings i'm worried about.
But I've came across a few that I would love to have seen in it's full glory, instead of a pile of blocks.
In my mind griefers can't build, hence they grief!
Even if they feel crappy about it! :D

I really like this server as it is, but there's always room for improvement, amirite?

yep and unfortunately those with grief protection have plugins and reset frequently

@TheForgotten20 yep and unfortunately those with grief protection have plugins and reset frequently

It doesn't need plugins (i guess). Land protection can be run with command blocks.

no it cant lets tag crafty to see if it can be done @CraftyMyner

@TheForgotten20 no it cant lets tag crafty to see if it can be done @CraftyMyner

So you think grief protection at spawn using plugins huh?

With the new way I have done the command blocks on the 1.9 server, it is very easy for me to tag a player or a group of players to allow only them to mine in an area. This is not full protection, it's adventure mode, this means that players can still access chests, only your buildings are safe

Quote from Crafty

@Blackfish So you think grief protection at spawn using plugins huh?

I can set up an easy spawn protection system. (Crafty might do something different) This might have a few code mistakes as I haven't done commands in a long time.

This command should be active at all times:
/gamemode @a[r=200,team=Spawnpoint] 2

So should this one:
/execute @a[r=200,team!=Admin] ~ ~ ~ /scoreboard teams join Spawnpoint

Now everyone but admins wherever these are placed are put on team Spawnpoint, which is in adventure mode.

Change the color of the name (grey) with this:
/scoreboard teams option Spawnpoint color gray

@CraftyMyner This way would not work at all with the system I have setup, however, I can place square, round or any shape imaginable, protection for all, all but staff or a few players or just one player, I can have protection in any dimension, I can protect an area from just griefing and/or pvp. The limitations are, players can still interact with blocks, access chests, push buttons and use glitches to send flying machines into the area. As far as protecting something like an end grinder, it would be easy. The issue is that players might complain that I'm picking and choosing who to protect. Someone makes a build and asks for it to be protected, but I say no to it, we get the argument that "why does johnny get his shit protected and not me".

So technical limitations are non-existent, the issue is how do we implement it so that it's fair for everyone.

an easy way to do that would be to put staff to a vote and if they approve it then put it upto the community. that way you know that the majority of the community is also approving it

thats basically what i said lol, just with it going to the staff first to block out the stuff that wouldnt make a vote

Cool, so it's possible!
I think that this idea may bring a new vibe to the game.
It would really encourage creative people to build usefull and amazing stuff.
New destinations for adventurers... An even cooler server.
If we put our minds together to find a fair way to do it and with @CraftyMyner 's craftiness, protecting some buildings or part of them from griefing might not be such a bad idea! How about a trial run? :D start with 3 buildings - Admins choice is fine by me.
I'm sure you guys know a lot of builds worth the trouble!

Sorry fellas this idea is a bit of a non starter. We have a protected spawn as a nod to civility and even that is enough to send some 'proper' VSMP player running for the hills. Gandalf knows how to protect your builds...

lol, thats the oposite of what i was thinking about.
I'm not suggesting to protect personal builds, only a few public worthy ones.
Not trying to change how the server works.
just thought it would be cool to see impressive stuff.
but i got the picture... bad idea! tried it before! got it! :(

Personally I'm not a fan, it'd just take away from the whole Griefing and Raiding aspect of the server Imo.
Like Crafty said there is also the whole thing about Who and What gets protected and the inevitable complaints that results from that.

Crafty protects the "Cummunity" end farm...

I build an iron farm 100 blocks from spawn, call it "Cummunity" tell the wrong people where it is and then ask Crafty to protect it...

This is what your plan might turn into if people get the wrong idea, plus it would hurt the vanilla integrity of the server. If people want to build a large, public build and have it protected, they can go to building servers. I personally like the idea of griefing someone else's hard work because they made the mistake of telling the wrong person about it.

@_Confederacy_ it would hurt the vanilla integrity of the server

It wouldnt hurt the vanilla nature of the server, since it would be all via commands, and could be a marvel to see work
It would more effect the survival and griefing/raiding aspects of the server, and in my opinion would lessen these aspects

_Confederacy_ in that case Crafty would have to refuse...
I'm new to this, so I'll just take your word for it. it would certainly demand some serious thinking.

I'll give a different example,
I I found a skelly spawner 12k from spawn and build a compact, practical, usefull and easy on the eyes grinder. where any player, with a bit of work, can get a few arrows and some XP.
Ask for protection and, if x number of admins agree they would protect only the amount of space they see fit. (even just protect the spawner itself and allow other players to repair griefers damage)

Wouldn't that be usefull?
Maybe a contest, 1 public building accepted every month. This would even give people more reasons to come back to the server and check out the new stuff without the staff having to build everything all the time..

And do you really need the XP that you get from the spawner?
Is it really worth it vs many of us being able to enjoy it?

Anyway...
gonna play minecraft now! :D

Oh, and as Dannysharks explained it would be vanilla just the same..

Cool, so now my public end grinder could be protected? Woot :D

nop... it's not a thing...
it was just a dream... :P

You know, since the forum is so varied we could just introduce polls to the forum, would that help? Im fine abandoning my builds (creeperlord is mainly the one maintaining it) but like with sed iron farm, i think its a good idea, maybe a set turnout and result?

I would highly discourage this since... this is.. a raiding.., and griefing server....

and you joined knowing this...

@Blackened_Dawn I would highly discourage this since... this is.. a raiding.., and griefing server....

and you joined knowing this...

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@Blackened_Dawn I would highly discourage this since... this is.. a raiding.., and griefing server....
and you joined knowing this...

True, plus i have no idea what it takes to run a server and to manage all these opinions.
And i don't wanna play on a server where raiding and griefing isn't allowed cause its boring.
I like it here, thats why i went to the trouble of posting this.
this was just a healthy discussion from a user an admirer of your work!
I understand it's not a good idea.

We make the game easy enough without protecting community grinders.
It kind of defeats the purpose of survival when you there is free OP grinders where you are immune to damage.
Theres no risk invovled we may as well hand it out at spawn.

i think the best way to solve this problems is to prtect em via videos, this way you can still relive its greatness through a memory........im sorry i hve to bother you but here comes @BaronBattleBread

I'm on the no protection side of this argument. Protecting things such as grinders and iron farms would simply screw up the economy and as Dawn said, when we joined we signed up to a griefing pvp server. Avoiding 'baddies' is what gives the game its edge here.

@mithraculus I completely agree with no protection for farms, bases, etc.

However as i read the thread i am wondering if perhaps a safe area could be made specifically for making monuments and statues? An area that all members could choose to build something. No chests.

Perhaps have a competition each month for best build? After each month clear the area?

Random thoughts!

What do others think?

that actually sounds like a lot of fun, could probably get more support with its own thread though