@R4iscool1 faction will do this also yet another assumption.
@Mabzino a good faction
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@FishW But if a player produces 10 diamonds a day, and a faction of 5 produces 40 then our ratio are 1:10 player and 1:8 faction.
why?
@FishW Our lone player quickly acquires this and buys the elytra. A faction of 10 gets the 30 diamonds alot quicker then the player and buys the elytra
unrelated to power
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@Zabolca why does it have to be a faction? could not an individual person become more powerful than a faction?
@Mabzino not really
@R4iscool1 Sure they could, there was certainly people in 1.8 who were more powerful than most of the factions at the time in terms of wealth and facilities.
Dont change the goalposts.
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The behaviour you are describing is beyond a good faction to imo.
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@Mabzino why?
Just an example. Take it the other way and say a player produces 10 diamonds and a faction of 10 produces 120 diamonds leading to a ratio of 1:10 for player and 1:12 for faction members. It is a double edged sword I was just showing in some instances a player is acquiring more goods than a faction player.
@Mabzino unrelated to power
The fact that it is elytra? Make it a god sword then I guess. If you mean just in general it is unrelated then yea i guess one could consider it unrelated lol.
But as I said these are only examples and can be turned both ways. My point is that a faction is not 100% of the time more powerful than a player. I think everyone can agree that it is not always better. :) -
Omg guys are you seriously still arguing about this?
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@_Haxington_ Omg guys are you seriously still arguing about this?
Arguing? I dont believe anyone is arguing. I certainly am not. We are comparaing thoughts and evidence to see who is more powerful.
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Thats called arguing.
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The word comes from 1275-1325 middle english, anglo-french
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The irony of arguing about arguing.
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@R4iscool1 The behaviour you are describing is beyond a good faction to imo.
At least in a vanilla setting, there is no reason one player cant gather more than a group, it may not be likely but its certainly a possibility.group of 25 people, each person spends 50 minutes on farm/villagers a day
totaling almost 24 hours a day
done
unless a player can do thattotal wealth > total wealth of player
agreed have to gear more people;
but not everyone is active ingame at once whether mining or fighting
also designated roles, only a fraction will have to be truly geared
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I think thats rather unrealistic.
Its like saying one player playing 16 hours a day and farming far better than the faction.
They could farm 3 times as long and still be behind if the player obtains a better farm.
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When i was out end hunting, i could get about 3 elytra/dragon heads per day. If i was to sell both of them, assuming they would be bought, that would easily outclass me over some factions if you base it all off wealth
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@R4iscool1 I think thats rather unrealistic.
Its like saying one player playing 16 hours a day and farming far better than the faction.
They could farm 3 times as long and still be behind if the player obtains a better farm.
Ultimately players can beat factions, not in every circumstance but the majority of the time with enough effort.now you're just being unrealistic lol "the majority of time with enough effort"
i don't understand your first line, one player playing 16 hours a day and farming better than the faction just won't happen
"a better farm" >good faction (if not better farm will have more people farming their multiple farms)
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@Mabzino now you're just being unrealistic lol "the majority of time with enough effort"
i don't understand your first line, one player playing 16 hours a day and farming better than the faction just won't happen
"a better farm" >good faction (if not better farm will have more people farming their multiple farms)
also faction can have players trading to villagers and farming at the exact same time, not possible on 1pIt was an unrealistic scenario in response to another unrealistic scenario.
Your whole argument hinges on the assumption "It wont happen".
Which is unqualfied, A single player can easily build a bigger and more efficient farm than a faction that can outdo multiple players.I dont understand what the issue is with the idea that a player can > Faction
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@R4iscool1 It was an unrealistic scenario in response to another unrealistic scenario.
Your whole argument hinges on the assumption "It wont happen".
Which is unqualfied, A single player can easily build a bigger and more efficient farm than a faction that can outdo multiple players.I dont understand what the issue is with the idea that a player can > Faction
How exactly are you defining powerful?
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@TheDunmerRaven How exactly are you defining powerful?
We have focused on wealth for this but its sort of impossible to define.
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@R4iscool1 We have focused on wealth for this but its sort of impossible to define.
Well anyone can be wealthy. Danny for instance.
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@TheDunmerRaven Well anyone can be wealthy. Danny for instance.
Yes, which is kind of the point i'm focusing on, a player can certainly beat a faction in wealth.
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@Dannysharks When i was out end hunting, i could get about 3 elytra/dragon heads per day. If i was to sell both of them, assuming they would be bought, that would easily outclass me over some factions if you base it all off wealth
Echm xD like this? Unless you mean purely farming, of course
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@TheDunmerRaven How exactly are you defining powerful?
Good question wealth was what I considered to be main. Then other factors are infamy, number of members, alliances and activity on the forums. There is more factors i wont name also.
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Most factions arent consistent though.
Nor does that necessitate a player being incapable of beating them, a faction could spend twice as much time and get half the output just as easily as they could beat a player too.
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please someone mute this thread like i mean its never gonna be settled.
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@ORCA_Gnome please someone mute this thread like i mean its never gonna be settled.
Nah, we better mute you, I cant read any thread in this forum without stumbling over an unqualified comment of you lol
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... PFFFFFFFFFT what the fuck does it mean to be unqualified LOL
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If we start discussing this here then we are 1 step closer to having this thread closed, so I wont answer that since I really enjoy the main topic
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no please explain what it means. that'd be really great. You know its always good to have my Knowledge expanded
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@R4iscool1 exposure to faction servers has given you unrealistic ideals as to what a normal faction
Last I saw this isn't a faction server, and nor is it viable truly due to the smaller playerbase and 200k wide world
So yes, I see factions on faction servers. Almost all of them are miles ahead of any here.
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@Mabzino Last I saw this isn't a faction server, and nor is it viable truly due to the smaller playerbase and 200k wide world
So yes, I see factions on faction servers. Almost all of them are miles ahead of any here.
No diss, just fact(ion)sNice pun at the end lol. But yea the factions here must operate different because it is vanilla, im not 100% sure what all faction servers have as I only ever played on two. The ones I was on had it to where you claimed land and others could not raid it till your money got low, or your faction death count went low. And each member payed a tax to go to the faction payment. Larger factions on here share very similiar traits save they seem to be raided faster.
@Mabzino of course, but not even half-decent faction. Total wealth in a consistent, organised faction will never be outdone by a single player
I dont think I would use the word "never" as there is always an exception. But yea I would say a well organized faction may be able to outdo a player, save one thing. The faction will inevitably be raided. I mean all factions fall eventually while as in the long run the player will most likely remain. You could say well me and my 3 irl friends have a faction ans we have never been raided. But I consider that more of a team as they arent really recruiting.
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@Mabzino Last I saw this isn't a faction server, and nor is it viable truly due to the smaller playerbase and 200k wide world
So yes, I see factions on faction servers. Almost all of them are miles ahead of any here.
No diss, just fact(ion)sWhich may give you unrealistic expectations of what a good faction is.
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@Mabzino no, a realistic expectation of what a good faction is comes from playing on an actual factions server, not the child's folly versions that dally about on the forums here.
the server wasn't even intended to be a faction server originallyNot necessarily, on a faction server which of course is dedicated to factions the quality will be much higher than elsewhere but it will not be representative of other servers.
Like I said a faction could farm twice as long for half the output.
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@R4iscool1 Like I said a faction could farm twice as long for half the output.
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@Mabzino a player can only farm so much within an hour due to chunk limitation
faction = chunk limitation x 20What are you referring to ?
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@Mabzino @R4iscool1 so whens the wedding?
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@_Confederacy_ Watching two staff members argue and get off topic... That's a first.
Jeezus.We are debating what classifies as the best faction, hardly off topic.
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