I don't want creepers wandering into my home and destroying my shit.

mobGriefing = false for president 2k16

I don't want creepers blowing up all my hard work either. I don't care if it makes villager breeding harder. This is what we signed up for when we chose CM to be our minecraft home. And fire spread is the worst idea ever. I rtped once and found myself in a spruce forest where some noob tried to burn the entire forest down, but because fires spread is off, nothing disastrous happened. If it was on, no doubt everything around spawn and rtp would be burned to the ground from randoms that hop on the server, troll, and leave. I mean, personally, I don't like the idea of living in a world of half burnt trees, craters and blown up chunks everywhere, and all my chests blown up and items scattered(you'll half to outrun the item clear or risk all your goodies cleaning that up every time a creeper gets too close). And just think of what would happen if someone didn't take precaution when it came to the wither? How much damage is that thing gonna do before someone kills it? It could destroy an entire city that could have taken months of hard work to build. I vote no on mob griefing.

@Spy21DD Instead of cleaning, why not just reset the spawn chunks every restart? *Cough* That takes care of the work and still keeps the "Creepers are more evil" aspect alive.

You can't just selectively reset chunks in vanilla like that.
You also come across the problem of people losing stuff and spawning inside stone then, even if it where possible.

@OmegaSniper4eva If you make the End out of materials such as, Iron Bars, Endstone, and Obsiddian the dragon can not break it.

Wouldn't look very nice then.

@_Drachenzorn_ Well i feel like we are going back to this single "take care of the spawn" issue, when Im pointing out is the limting aspect of the mob griefing being disabled. Dont takw me wrong I really appreciate the work done in maintaining the spawn but its the gameplay im pointing. As i enumerated above, we are missing these gameplays in our current settings. I could agree with firespread disabled but mob griefing could make our gameplay complete.

Many people feel that this feature negatively impacts on their gameplay experience however.
A lot of people enjoy the current balance.
We are all well aware of exactly what mob griefing can do but it's not worth activating I think, especially since we may end up having to nerf villagers at spawn.

I've brought this up awhile ago in 1.8 too. No on fire spread (far too little return of a more "vanilla experience" for impact to the server), yes on mob griefing.

Im looking at this on a pros and cons stand point.

Cons mob griefing on:

1. Creeper and ghast explosion
2. Spawn ugly ( because of number 1 reason)
3. Noobs griefing or just being noobs

Work around:

1. make your build creeper or ghast proof
2. Commands or additional helper (or the suggested janitor) staff
3. Kill the noobs lol

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Pros mob griefing on

1. Viilager breeding efficiency
2. Vilager farming AI (wheat auto farms)
3. Wither related auto farm
4. Snow farms

Work around:

1. Trade with them to make them "willing" to breed
2. Nothing we could do here
3. same ^
4. same ^

This is funny but the work around is just dont build them. lol.
For a builder like me, I'm missing a lot. And for the cons, I believe you can look on the positive side. Creeper explosion and noobs griefing is part of vanilla experience.

And i believe the community would agree on these list of pros and cons. And i believe from this list there are more pros than cons.

Im just trying to be more objective

@_Drachenzorn_ Im looking at this on a pros and cons stand point.

Cons mob griefing on:

1. Creeper and ghast explosion
2. Spawn ugly ( because of number 1 reason)

Work around:

1. make your build creeper or ghast proof
2. Commands or additional helper (or the suggested janitor) staff

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Pros mob griefing on

1. Viilager breeding efficiency
2. Vilager farming AI (wheat auto farms)
3. Wither related auto farm
4. Snow farms

Work around:
This is funny, but just dont build them. Not of a work around really cause I cant think of work arounds for these good things you will be missing.

And i believe the community would agree on these list of pros and cons. And i believe from this list there are more pros than cons.

Im just trying to be more objective

And of course nubs greifing or being nubs with the wither, especially above ground.
I am a penguin, snow farms are needed for me, despite working withers I vote mob greif on

Sooo. I'm just going to weigh in here a little.
If be very much against fire spread being turned back on, as it would mean most of my base and worst it's caves would go dark. Plus the technical reason.

For mob griefing, I'm unsure of. I know if it had already been on my base would be littered with holes. As would much of anywhere that has large traffic.

@Spy21DD Instead of cleaning, why not just reset the spawn chunks every restart? *Cough* That takes care of the work and still keeps the "Creepers are more evil" aspect alive.

This issue is something @CraftyMyner can explain. I remember some time ago there was a talk about it

I see alot of great post here from both sides just want to say its nice to see the community log onto the forums and voice opinions regardless of the outcome :D shows just how awesome the community is

IMO mob griefing should be turned on, the wither boss is just not hard enough and without mob grefing many parts of vanilla are disabled, and i can understand firespread but this is a VANILLA server, shouldnt we stick to the more VANILLA type of stuff? also a janitor rank, or"cleanupspawn" points can be awarded to later to be redeemed for something will help with the spawn issue, also reseting spawn chunks will lead to players camping a cave with diamonds in it, server chunks reset and they re-mine the diamonds!(genius idea)

@Spy21DD Instead of cleaning, why not just reset the spawn chunks every restart? *Cough* That takes care of the work and still keeps the "Creepers are more evil" aspect alive.

also reseting spawn chunks will lead to players camping a cave with diamonds in it, server chunks reset and they re-mine the diamonds!(genius idea)

I hope the genius idea part is a joke
Think of how fucked the economy would become? Itd be a litteral infinte source of everything. Spawn would still have to be cleaned by us. While i wouldnt mind i could imagine itd be more damaged a lot
Id be borderline with it being on or off by any rate

@OmegaSniper4eva looks

We aren't hiring extra staff just for the purpose of janitor so that a no go, as for a mob sapper it's possible to make one however there are other important issues with that approach as crafty will likely explain.

@_Drachenzorn_ Im looking at this on a pros and cons stand point.

Cons mob griefing on:

1. Creeper and ghast explosion
2. Spawn ugly ( because of number 1 reason)
3. Noobs griefing or just being noobs

Work around:

1. make your build creeper or ghast proof
2. Commands or additional helper (or the suggested janitor) staff
3. Kill the noobs lol

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Pros mob griefing on

1. Viilager breeding efficiency
2. Vilager farming AI (wheat auto farms)
3. Wither related auto farm
4. Snow farms

Work around:

1. Trade with them to make them "willing" to breed
2. Nothing we could do here
3. same ^
4. same ^

This is funny but the work around is just dont build them. lol.
For a builder like me, I'm missing a lot. And for the cons, I believe you can look on the positive side. Creeper explosion and noobs griefing is part of vanilla experience.

And i believe the community would agree on these list of pros and cons. And i believe from this list there are more pros than cons.

Im just trying to be more objective

I'm sorry but you don't appear to be very appreciative of the work staff do.. many of the staff spend long long period cleaning spawn for the benefit of the community.
Objectively there is plenty of reasons to disable mob griefing if you want to go into it, all of the reasons you list are opinions that you think they will they improve the gameplay experience, other players may and do disagree and feel that they take from the experience.
Some feel creeper explosions are an uneccesry feature others believe that introducing large large auto farms would ruin the server economy and lead to more lag.

Is it possible to use the entitydata command to set the ExplosionRadius of any creeper within 1k of spawn to 0? And also the same for the wither projectiles.
If so you could then have mob griefing on without wasting staff time. Of course you do have an extra clock running in spawn. Not sure how much lag these things cause.

@R4iscool1 Objectively there is plenty of reasons to disable mob griefing if you want to go into it

Besides ruining the spawn area, and items dropped from explosions (which the item clear should take care of), what other reasons are there from the perspective of staff?

@R4iscool1 large large auto farms would ruin the server economy and lead to more lag.

You mean using villagers? If so the entity limit should prevent any more lag right?

@NutjobBob Besides ruining the spawn area, and items dropped from explosions (which the item clear should take care of), what other reasons are there from the perspective of staff?

Strictly from an administration perspective, ignoring the opinions of the people that prefer it disabled.
The two issues that strike me as most important is the destruction of spawn area, which includes the area in that only admins can repair and the fact the server is balanced with mob grief off in mind.
I do believe that /entitydata would work however it suffers from much of the same weaknesses of a mob zapper approach in that for it to be truly effective it would need to run on a loop every few seconds which means server performance could take a hit and corruption is more likely to occur.

Entities are far from the only thing that cause lag, large auto melon farms for example can reduce the TPS of the server significantly, unlike entities however this is not quantifiable easily and It was judged that we shouldn't enforce a limit on them as the benefits out weigh the negatives.