Also, about grassling using the staffs name -

Said staff members YouTube account is his real name, he openly comments on nerdiebirdies videos, which I know many people here watch, whether you actually enjoy his content or not, I know many of you watch them. The staff memeber also signs his ign on these comments so his personal name is very public.

In my opinion a ban to grassling over this is petty, it is clear said staff memeber doesn't care about his personal name seeing as it is openly public and he's commenting on videos that he very well knows anyone who visits this server is likely to view.

Wait so you're saying that I got banned for something that not only happened like a week ago but for something that I was already punished for and never given a real argument to say what I did was wrong as the punishment itself was based off assumption. Why was I just banned now? Why was the reason that I was revealing information? @Blackened_Dawn

@Blackened_Dawn

I figured that was the case.

My main issue is that if I retaliated in any way after the kick, and was met with a ban, there would be no "sorry that ban wasn't warranted". I surely would be serving a 1-3 day ban for "bullying" and/or "disrespecting staff" for causing a rebuttal for disputing my kick/warning.

@Grassling Wait so you're saying that I got banned for something that not only happened like a week ago but for something that I was already punished for and never given a real argument to say what I did was wrong as the punishment itself was based off assumption. Why was I just banned now? Why was the reason that I was revealing information? @Blackened_Dawn

Banned now because it had reached a final verdict recently, since 1 - you did bring up points that I needed to discuss with the other admins 2 - the current ban came first

@TopsNeverStops Also, about grassling using the staffs name -

Said staff members YouTube account is his real name, he openly comments on nerdiebirdies videos, which I know many people here watch, whether you actually enjoy his content or not, I know many of you watch them. The staff memeber also signs his ign on these comments so his personal name is very public.

In my opinion a ban to grassling over this is petty, it is clear said staff memeber doesn't care about his personal name seeing as it is openly public and he's commenting on videos that he very well knows anyone who visits this server is likely to view.

I do not watch his videos, but once again, this ban came first, and not unwarranted since he was warned about a similar situation previously.

@Blackened_Dawn

Still, spawn eggs can't be earned naturally. they're distributed/spawn by staff via the creation of craftycrates, so in a way, yes, in a way they are ''rare'' like any other egg.

so tbh, i don't get your guys justification over that ban reason if the previous reason was using ven's IRL name

I was warned about REVEALING INFORMATION as stated in many places now, I wasn't revealing any information because Vene's is sometimes used in chat. Correct me if i'm wrong but 3/4 if not 4/4 of my bans all came from Vene and because saying the two situations are the same is a long stretch I feel the ban was a haste decision from a biased staff member. @Blackened_Dawn

@GrandpaCarl00 @Blackened_Dawn

Still, spawn eggs can't be earned naturally. they're distributed/spawn by staff via the creation of craftycrates, so in a way, yes, in a way they are ''rare'' like any other egg.

so tbh, i don't get your guys justification over that ban reason if the previous reason was using ven's IRL name

If we're going by technicalities, the impression was that an admin(mentioned by name as well) physically put it into his hands, which is false, only the initial egg was spawned and put into a crate that is cloned beneath the feet of vip+/mvps, no admin gave him the egg. not a matter whether an egg is rare or not.

@Grassling I was warned about REVEALING INFORMATION as stated in many places now, I wasn't revealing any information because Vene's is sometimes used in chat. Correct me if i'm wrong but 3/4 if not 4/4 of my bans all came from Vene and because saying the two situations are the same is a long stretch I feel the ban was a haste decision from a biased staff member. @Blackened_Dawn

4 bans or 3 bans? I'm getting old. if it's 4 it's a miracle you weren't perm banned on the 3rd part, but that;s beside the point. I understand the latter argument and if you'll allow me to discuss more at length with my fellow admins about it i'll look into it further

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@iwarriiori

yknow a poll acutally kinda seems nice right bout now

@Blackened_Dawn I'll allow you to do that but again, this post wasn't made to appeal my ban this post was made because valuable players of the community have a big enough problem with the ways things are run that they took the times out of their busy days to voice their concerns. I'm glad that you guys are communicating to find an effect solution and I really hope it benefits the server.

To be honest, I have run ins with staff before. Some are great, and others tyrants. I am an objective individual and quite rational. It is vexing when some abuse their power. I personally don't bring up any admin faults in fear of retaliation. It has happened before and they where ruthless. I would suggest ending this thread before it gets out of hand. Just stay low, create what you wish in the server, and just accept it. We as the players of the server are not truly listened to. Hell, when we try to put forth a complaint sometimes we are literally punished or met with bias and impertinence. Even worse we are vilified by other players. @NerdieBirdieYT it is not worth it. Trust me I have been here long enough.

@Ealdwine_Drasax You share our opinion but you are asking us not to share our voice. This is why staff think there is not a problem because players like you are scared of the consequences of voicing your opinion. I think it's healthy that we are all transparant so that we can be heard and positive change can be made.

@Grassling @Ealdwine_Drasax

This goes back to suppressing the need for public opinion and just making the playerbase submissive betas

@Grassling Did you ever take sociology? Psychology? Philosophy? The problem is not that simple. If you wish to change things then you must effectively change the Identity Cognition of the staff and player and make them see both sides. However human beings tend to be very egotistical, irrational, and the most ironic creatures on the planet. We are all prisoners of bias and the ego. To change it you must change the human being themselves. So this is why those who transcend this, or attempt to, must stay low. It is much easier.

@Ealdwine_Drasax All I know is that now we are getting actualy responses to our concerns via the thread and I'm hoping the staff are identifying that players do have a problem with the server now, something that the denied when I talked about it on my own.

We will see @Grassling

@Ealdwine_Drasax I totally get where you're coming from, and this thread may indeed prove to be pointless. Heck, maybe I'll get banned by the time this is over.

But just like in the real world, we need to make our opinions heard. I hope it is clear to @R4iscool1 now that this is bigger than a minority opinion, as shown by how this thread has skyrocketed in the past few hours. Like @Ealdwine_Drasax said, there's a lot more players out there affected by this who a) don't use the forums and b) are too afraid of punishment for simply voicing their opinion to post on this thread.

Unless staff decides to take this seriously (which I doubt, because let's be honest, it's easier to do nothing than take the effort to change), the only way this will go anywhere is if we bring up numerous controversial situations from the past, which I'm sure staff will agree is a bad idea. I mean, if that's what's required to get our voice heard, go for it, but that will start a LOT more arguments.

Then reason people don't give many examples is because mentioning specific staff members is dangerous here. You could be banned for it later on. And as @SnowProper showed, staff ain't always in the know.

So please take this seriously, staff, and let's get something good to happen.

@Venetorem Dude you know I think you're amazing, but let me get this straight.

@Grassling was banned because he was "revealing personal information". As Dawn said, that was the final straw.

Now, how is that personal information if you allow others to publically call you by name? Grassling's warning said to not reveal private info. Your name is not private info if you let ANYONE use it in general chat. You can't allow mods/friends to do things that others aren't allowed to do.

Edit:

This is starting to sound less like Grassling exposing staff and more like staff being like:

"Stop that I don't like that. Oh but it's fine if we do that. Banned."

As i told grassling himself in private messages. The point was not that he used my name. Its that he used it (for a secomd time i might add) after he was specifically told not to address people by name
I was just going to give him a verbal warning, but when he responded with "Did I ask?" I decided he didn't need my genersity to let it slide a second time, eventhough specifically told not to

@NerdieBirdieYT He said he doesn't let other people use it but your point is still valid as it is used in global chat. If you don't want your name being used (one time with no specific warning) then how about you ask people to use it in pms only?

and @Venetorem the thing I have said countless times now is that I was told not to use private information and that is what you banned me for. If you use a name in global chat it's not private information. As stated in my ban appeal if you asked me to never use it again I would've abbided but you were too quick to ban me.

@Venetorem Since when are we not allowed to call people by name? The rule he broke was "revealing personal information", not "calling someone by their publicly known name like others do because I said no". That's not a rule.

@Grassling Interested in your thoughts on this.

You say that people use it all the time, but i can pnly remember juli using it a few times (to my memory)

And, as @Venetorem stated, Juli is allowed to use it in public chat.

That, my friends, is staff discrimination. Staff may do what other players get banned for.

How does that effect the validity of my point? @Venetorem it was still used in global chat therefore it's not private information. I didn't even use it in a malicious way

If he has responded with something like "oh, my bad" or "sure thing" or "wont happen again" that wouldve been the end of it

Sounds largely like emotional bias tbh

You never asked me never to say it again. @Venetorem

@Venetorem If he has responded with something like "oh, my bad" or "sure thing" or "wont happen again" that wouldve been the end of it

That's not he point. The point is that Juli is free to use your name because:

A) She's your friend
B) She is staff

Both of which are invalid excuses for favoring one player over another.

Good grief, if staff isn't bound to their own rules, then I don't know what to say.

As i told grassling, i was informed to take action next time i saw him refering to someone by name. It didnt matter who it was, i wouldve given him the same warning. If it wasnt me, i would've messaged that player.

Hmm sounding like my post? Anyone?

That's not he point. The point is that Juli is free to use your name because:

A) She's your friend
B) She is staff

When did i mention she was staff?
Of course i let my girlfriend address me informally. That obvious

@Venetorem Why would I be banned on the spot for saying your name it wasn't "revealing personal info" as I had been warned about. How was I supposed to know this wasn't allowed?

@Venetorem When did i mention she was staff?
Of course i let my girlfriend address me informally. That obvious

So you've just admitted that because you know her, she is allowed to do things normal players would be banned for.

Banned on the spit? I warned you in chat, remember?

Because im DATING HER, not because i like her. Does tewaker or benji, or sirchristopher, or custard, or anyone else im friends with call me by name? No

Yes "vanned on the spit" and you just said "I never gave you permission to use my name" thats not a warning because you banned me right after. After you had said that "warning" I never said it again after that.

I banned you because you decided to respond with a smart ass remark, and obviously didnt care about the fact i obviously didnt want you to

@Venetorem Because im DATING HER, not because i like her. Does tewaker or benji, or sirchristopher, or custard, or anyone else im friends with call me by name? No

I'm just curious what your personal relations have to do with the stated rules.