I was wounder one thing, what would happen to this server if we lost Net Neutrality.
As this server is located in Canada. Other factors such as Microsoft or Mojang might make a difference.
What would change?
I was wounder one thing, what would happen to this server if we lost Net Neutrality.
As this server is located in Canada. Other factors such as Microsoft or Mojang might make a difference.
What would change?
i dont think you should worry about it.
it was an issue last year but nothing ever happened, neither will this year :)
You better fucking hope nothing happens. They've already voted to repeal it, we're trying to save it via Congress.
Think that problem only affects North America or whatnot, Not the entire world anyways, thats what i've heard atleast
It's only a problem in the USA as far as I know.
I doubt it would keep you from playing on the server but it does anger me that they are attempting to repeal it.
It can and will affect those outside the US. Not only will it set a precedent for others to also repeal it, but it will affect you any time you try to access a US hosted service.
Also @EnderConstructor when you gonna buy ink my man?
While it could have an effect on US-bound traffic (Most DataCenters would probably move all but local services if it was charged on the providers, end not the customers) it's more likely they will charge the consumer for faster access tiers to certain services.
I'm not sure it would set much of a precedent either to be truthful, in most countries the communications industry is marketed as a national resource for the people and regulated as such meaning free-market style measures like this which actually hurt competition are unlikely to be implemented.
We Americans need this also. greedy corporations and there minions are pushing to take away our net neutrality so they can charge us more for less. its crap and it should be considered a public utility along with be governed by free speech. twitter, google and youtube are all censoring what we see based on their personal politcis ad views, But we are supposed to be the land of the free and brave with freedom of speech and news without censorship or propaganda.
The Net Neutrality abolition is a scary thing. In my perhaps learned opinion, it is the seeds for a dystopian future. And I do not say that lightly. Service providers limitting the information you see is one of the first steps to a tyrannical corruption. Contact your senators. There are ways to fight it.
This disgusts me. Net neutrality is very important to me and a majority of Americans regardless of political affiliation.
Internet for me already costs an arm and a leg. I live out in the country not a city and I pay $100 dollars a month for about 1mbps download speeds(my package says from 10-20). Along with that I get massive ping with from 80 at night to 300+ in the day time with constant fluctuation. I hear legends of cities with low ping and fast download for a decent price for what you're getting but i have yet to personally have such a plan. I have gotten 35MBPS and 14 ping in a hotel before but not at home :/
Wifi speed tests have shown 27 ping and 4.7mbps but I've never gotten that low ping in MC at home. I also have never reached that high speed in downloads when I download a game off steam. When it shows average it can show 1mbps last steam game my peak speed was 1.3 I've never even reached 2 mbps.
Can't you use a VPN to bypass ISP regulations? That would make the net neutrality issue a lot less of a problem.
@_Confederacy_ Can't you use a VPN to bypass ISP regulations? That would make the net neutrality issue a lot less of a problem.
Yeah if you pay an additional fee of 9.99$ a month!
I, for one, cannot await the abolishment of Net Neutrality, as I will no longer be able to see your complaints and protests, as I will be the only one paying for the Premium Edition McDonalds Communication Suite.
I know how you feel about this man. I have a 20 mbps and I get barely 12.
It's funny how it doesn't even feel like it's 12. More like yours right now.
It's bullshit because the internet package is combined in a 3 in 1 thing.
You know, phone, internet and TV and other shit.
Otherwise, I'd go individually for internet and phone & Mr. TV I never watch in one.
Like that, I can order 50 mbps or more just for internet.
I miss the 120 mbps in Germany. Fast as fuck man, downloaded a movie in 2 mins lol.
America's internet speeds are almost comedically slow.
Mine:
@OtherGreenGamer Don't use my speed as a precedent to label all us ISPs as slow. I have an ISP near me that offers 100mbps but they don't offer it to people out of city limits like I am.
Don't use a speed test service like that, most of them are designed to show false results because they're owned by ISPs. I use Google's. Just Google "speed test" and it'll ask you if you want to run one.
I'm okay with this speed but it's only barely good enough for YouTube and if someone else is watching something on the same network sometimes it bogs everything down. Downloads are okay but certainly not fast enough if I was in a hurry. America's internet speeds aren't very comedic if you live here, they're absolute shit and getting rid of net neutrality will only make things worse. Yay.
On the contrary, the ISP is the only person who is really capable of measuring your actual throughput, the methods used by internet speed tests can be affected by a number of factors that aren't network speed related.
That said Ookla and Google are solid speed tests, however they far from the best which is definitely http://speedof.me/
due to the fact it's HTML5 and that reduces a lot of mitigating factors in speed tests.
But what will happen to the server? Do we have to pay per month? Do we have to watch ads?
@humfrydog We Americans need this also. greedy corporations and there minions are pushing to take away our net neutrality so they can charge us more for less. its crap and it should be considered a public utility along with be governed by free speech. twitter, google and youtube are all censoring what we see based on their personal politcis ad views, But we are supposed to be the land of the free and brave with freedom of speech and news without censorship or propaganda.
Claps , best thing i seen on this thread you are dead on sir .
@EnderConstructor Think that problem only affects North America or whatnot, Not the entire world anyways, thats what i've heard atleast
@OtherGreenGamer It's only a problem in the USA as far as I know.
It will have repercussions all around the globe, there are thousands of foreign countries that have their servers based in the US, and if this bullshit passes, we all will be affected.
“As far as I know”
I am not the most informed with how internet traffic works, but I kind of fail to see how this would effect a minecraft server. The ISP's would be able to slow down the rates for consumers from various sources of content, but I don't think they would flat out slow down internet speeds or else their coverage would no longer be competitive (edit: of course, with the exception being areas where there is only one ISP). They would throttle speeds for content providers that have content that competes with their own content ( i.e. Video streaming services) and content they dont approve of (e.g. Controversial content). Maybe I am missing a part of the picture, but, I just don't see why they would target a minecraft server. And, before people assume otherwise, I by no means support the repeal of net neutrality.
@WBlaine I am not the most informed with how internet traffic works, but I kind of fail to see how this would effect a minecraft server. The ISP's would be able to slow down the rates for consumers from various sources of content, but I don't think they would flat out slow down internet speeds or else their coverage would no longer be competitive (edit: of course, with the exception being areas where there is only one ISP). They would throttle speeds for content providers that have content that competes with their own content ( i.e. Video streaming services) and content they dont approve of (e.g. Controversial content). Maybe I am missing a part of the picture, but, I just don't see why they would target a minecraft server. And, before people assume otherwise, I by no means support the repeal of net neutrality.
Microsoft owns mojang, and it might cost for them to create servers. So any minecraft server would have to pay to mojang or Microsoft so Microsoft can pay the ISP for the servers...
But unless the ISP's have a stake in video games, they have no interest in video games. Also, mojang and Microsoft have nothing to do with hosting servers (other than realms). From my understanding, once they provide the JAR, microsoft and mojang have nothing to do with the interaction between the hosting server and the ISP.
@WBlaine But unless the ISP's have a stake in video games, they have no interest in video games. Also, mojang and Microsoft have nothing to do with hosting servers (other than realms). From my understanding, once they provide the JAR, microsoft and mojang have nothing to do with the interaction between the hosting server and the ISP.
The ISP is intrested in all internet service. They want to restrict all internet access, doesn't matter if it's for games or a video service.
The other thing about Mojang's connection to servers is true, but when they update, they have to send that update to all servers. Maybe the server gets a ad on saying [Would you like to update to 1.13? (Pay 10$)].
Even if that didn't happen to servers. Players might have to pay to keep up with the updates, making the server more empty for those that can't or don't want to pay in order to update.
@MisterChris717 The ISP is intrested in all internet service. They want to restrict all internet access, doesn't matter if it's for games or a video service.
I don't think you can just make blanket statements like that. If they are looking for a profit, they won't restrict all services because they can. It gets fuzzy it areas where there is one ISP and, therefore, no competition. Then, I guess, they can do what they want with the rates and not invest in infrastructure and increasing absolute internet speed.
And I don't think the extortion of saying "Would you like to update to 1.13? (Pay 10$)" would happen. They can throttle Mojang's speed, which may just mean a slower downloads of Mojang's content, which is only relevant on those few occasions you need an update. It would be Mojang's decision to pay the ISP for faster speed and then charge the consumer to compensate for those expenses. I don't think occassional slow updates would cause Mojang to make such a decision that would further harm their business. But, again, the ISP doesn't have a strong incentive to throttle Mojang.
I am open to accepting that the repeal of net neutrality would effect minecraft servers, but I don't find these arguments very compelling.
I don't wanna be American anymore xD
@Sirchristopher10 I'm hoping the senate will reverse it. The US has more freedom than any other country fyi.
@MistakeMade @Sirchristopher10 I'm hoping the senate will reverse it. The US has more freedom than any other country fyi.
Except for the freedom of internet
@MistakeMade @Sirchristopher10 I'm hoping the senate will reverse it. The US has more freedom than any other country fyi.
Belgium has freedom
Italy has freedom
The UK has freedom
Germany, France, JAPAN have freedom
And right now New Zealand, Hong Kong and Neterlands are stated to be the countries with the most freedom and if we're talking about economical freedom then Hong Kong and Singapour are leading.
The USA, isn't Leading the world in anything relevant (from my own point of view).
(Apart from the number of incarcerated citizens every year, adults that believe that Angels are real, Flat earthers, and spending)
I don't want to be the triggering spark of a debate on weather the US has the most freedom or not, back to the main theme.
O no guys, the situation isn't getting better
@HaloNest Belgium has freedom
Italy has freedom
The UK has freedom
Germany, France, JAPAN have freedom
And right now New Zealand, Hong Kong and Neterlands are stated to be the countries with the most freedom and if we're talking about economical freedom then Hong Kong and Singapour are leading.
The USA, isn't Leading the world in anything.(Apart from the number of incarcerated citizens every year, adults that believe that Angels are real, Flat earthers, and spending)
I don't want to be the triggering spark of a debate on weather the US has the most freedom or not, back to the main theme.
I like how you say you don't want to trigger a debate on whether the US has the most freedom or not, after you just argued against it using points (bad ones) from a Newsroom video.
"The USA, isn't Leading the world in anything.
Apart from the number of incarcerated citizens every year, adults that believe that Angels are real, Flat earthers, and spending)" Ok, bud. The US leads the world in GDPSource 1 ,
Military Source 2 , Most Foreign aid, Most Generous people Source 3 , Most Billionaires, Most Top Universities, and many more. I didn't discuss freedom I know but It's evident that the US is more free than the rest of the world, if there is a country that you believe is more free be sure to throw it my way I will attempt to show why the US is more free.
@MistakeMade I like how you say you don't want to trigger a debate on whether the US has the most freedom or not, after you just argued against it using points (bad ones) from a Newsroom video.
"The USA, isn't Leading the world in anything.
Apart from the number of incarcerated citizens every year, adults that believe that Angels are real, Flat earthers, and spending)" Ok, bud. The US leads the world in GDPSource 1 ,
Military Source 2 , Most Foreign aid, Most Generous people Source 3 , Most Billionaires, Most Top Universities, and many more. I didn't discuss freedom I know but It's evident that the US is more free than the rest of the world, if there is a country that you believe is more free be sure to throw it my way I will attempt to show why the US is more free.
Then link me where does it say that the US is the country with the most freedom of the world, since you like sources!
Tumbl pages don't count, neither does your history teacher.
The US has very little freedom when it comes to important matters and it surrounds you of fake choices, but it's stated that the US is the country with the most freedom.
Now back to net neutrality if you desire to talk about why America isn't the most free country in the world message me on discord HaloNest#2976 now time to get back to net neutrality
@HaloNest Will do, if you don't believe the US is the most free please point out a country that you believe is the most free. Anyways back on topic. I don't have beef with you HaloNest so please don't take what I said as a way to put you down or anger you.
No way, t'was just a super genuine debate!
So I haven't read the whole thread but I think since CM is hosted in the US only crafty would have to pay an extra and we all would be fine... I don't really know I haven't informed myself that much
Antarctica is the most free by far. Can't have no net neutrality if there is no internet!
This thread is really going off-topic somewhere, however I cant help myself to throw in my 5 cents before staff locks it down.
Freedom is pretty subjective. Ofc many aspects can indeed be measured, however it really depends on your personal point of view, on how you value those. One might see great value in economic freedom and therefore prefer the US while someone else might prefer for example the highly developed democracy of them swiss mountsin folks (or their freedom to choose from a million kinds of cheese)
So this entire freedom discussion is just as stupid as the many "who is the mightiest faction" discussions on here in the past.
Trying to objectify something that depends that much on personal preferences leads to nothing but pointless debates.