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  1. 8 years ago

    I've seen faction threads with vital info still on them get locked that can and were still in use that just shits all over the gameplay and trying to connect members for your team?

    I've seen threads with potential get locked I mean who's to say "witty weapon names" are going to be locked due to it being old when so many people can come back with new ideas.

    And silly, harmless, ones get attacked as well just because someone doesn't like it give the players some freedom come on.

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/3528-strangers-company-faq ( still could of been edited or updated in the same thread unless the owners wanted it locked I don't see the issue)

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/4311-fix-invisibility-potions ( I agree this one was heavily debated and pushed but the person never got the promise of it being unlocked and notified idk if it was solved or not but worth mentioning the actions)

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/4550-sever-fact-petition

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/1316-craftymynes-history-so-far ( small games like this and little lore, stories, etc getting locked when people are still having fun with them makes no sense unless the original poster or majority of people deem it unworthy to continue I don't see the problem)

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/746-rule-exception ( don't know if this got solved in pm or not but makes no sense locking if the same situation occurred is it that triggering to respond in an old thread when the issue still exists? )

    it's not a matter of leniency, Locking random threads with barely an excuse and not wanting to deal with them is more on the slacker side.

    these are just few of the many examples

    Lmao why is being the owner brought up when I was simply stating an opinion makes no sense it's just useless snark.

  2. Threads shouldn't be locked because of certain people replies or arguments. You should just delete there replies and warn them that if they continue break rules or not listening to staff they get banned from the forums.

  3. Edited 8 years ago by r4iscool1

    @Pimpcy staff are not supposed to bring an intimidating or harassing figure over every suggestion.

    Nothing wrong with having a voice as the community either we're kind of like product testers in a way
    but we're all still people no matter what in game rank we have (some people seem to let that get that to their head a little too much) , that's one of the aspects I respect Crafty he does a lot for the community even if we don't ask for it for fucks sake he spent hours perfecting a background image even though it wasn't that big of a deal. An Owner I'd def feel comfortable approaching if I had a personal problem whether it works out or not.

    there's a reason why a suggestion thread was created don't get scared of being beat down for it.

    When have staff according to you intimidated or harassed people.

    Discussions are perfectly allowed hence why this thread hasn't being deleted, that said you must respect a staff decision when they feel the topic is not going to add to Craftymynes or cause lots of issues and ask you to stop. If you have an issue with that decision complain to other staff then or the member themselves in private.
    If you find that intimidating or harassment then I think the issue would be with you not staff.

  4. Edited 8 years ago by Pimpcy

    @R4iscool1 What's unreasonable?
    We saw violations of the rules or something that really doesn't have a place on the forums and we locked it.

    Look I'm just trying to get some consideration on how threads should be locked in no way was I pressing on for everyone to do more work when literally it barely requires much effort to rethink a decision for OTHERS. lets say my old art thread was alive again and it got out of hand from people , a staff member just comes up and "locks" it to deal with everyone. I'm left to re create an old thread and try reposting all my work since it got off topic and people got rowdy. This is merely an example no need to get over the head with purely on that thought however it relates on how things are dealt with.

    @R4iscool1 Darks plan is based on no actual experience of how to moderate this server and is quite a bad idea

    This topic isn't about putting players in their place like cattle dude it's about reconsidering the use of power Just because dark isn't a staff member it doesn't deem his opinion as false right then and there for all I know we could say you're a staff and your view is delusional as well for not being a full player makes no sense doesn't it? He didn't even mention banning right off the bat he described a step of warnings beforehand People have gotten warnings before on here right? Staff watch the threads plenty well.

    @R4iscool1 When have staff according to you intimidated or harassed people.

    Again you flew off the handle with this one, this was used to help understand suggestions aren't bad and you have nothing to fear. Whether you don't think it Players have came to me weary of making suggestions or rethinking decisions Staff make.

    @R4iscool1 It's fine, I'm not about to hold a grudge a simple forum message unlike some others.

    l m a o this is a discussion If we can freely express things as you said why are you calling our opinions grudges

  5. @Pimpcy Look I'm just trying to get some consideration on how threads should be locked in no way was I pressing on for everyone to do more work when literally it barely requires much effort to rethink a decision for OTHERS. lets say my old art thread was alive again and it got out of hand from people , a staff member just comes up and "locks" it to deal with everyone. I'm left to re create an old thread and try reposting all my work since it got off topic and people got rowdy. This is merely an example no need to get over the head with purely on that thought however it relates on how things are dealt with.

    They way you think threads should be locked does not equate to the way that benefits Craftymynes most.
    It's easier and far more effective to lock down certain threads, than having to delete multiple posts and suspend multiple members, if we do this the forums would be essentially empty.
    It's not hard to repost your old work, it's only links I can even provide the exact text and links if you so desire, a minutes work at best. Much better than warning multiple players who usually behave.

    @Pimpcy This topic isn't about putting players in their place like cattle dude it's about reconsidering the use of power Just because dark isn't a staff member it doesn't deem his opinion as false right then and there for all I know we could say you're a staff and your view is delusional as well for not being a full player makes no sense doesn't it? He didn't even mention banning right off the bat he described a step of warnings beforehand People have gotten warnings before on here right? Staff watch the threads plenty well.

    Experience is key, staff have been handling the server for a long time and most of the forum moderation often goes unseen, we therefore have a better understanding of the requirements to keep Craftymynes and nice and friendly place than normal players, so no this isn't putting players in their place, it's pointing the large gap in experience between the two opinions which should be taken into account. Would you trust your doctors opinion over that of a randomer ? It's important to take into account this.
    That doesn't necessarily mean his opinion is wrong no but as pointed out, warning and suspending multiple players over issues causes even more disruption and bad blood than locking a single thread.
    Warnings are also hard to quantify and keep track of, arguing isn't necessarily against the rules so if we start giving warnings for doing so in threads that aren't appropriate without first having given prior warning in the thread it would be pretty unfair.

    @Pimpcy Again you flew off the handle with this one, this was used to help understand suggestions aren't bad and you have nothing to fear. Whether you don't think it Players have came to me weary of making suggestions or rethinking decisions Staff make.

    l m a o this is a discussion If we can freely express things as you said why are you calling our opinions grudges

    How have I "Flew of the handle" I have explained precisely why what you are suggesting isn't the best idea and locking threads in many cases is more effective and a better solution, are staff not allowed to express their own opinion or question the logic behind others ? There's nothing to justify that statement.
    Everyone has the right to have their opinion expressed and considered however that does not mean that opinion is free from questioning. Players are free to make suggestions and everyone is free to debate the merits of them from staff to normal players, no one has infringed upon that right. What you are describing already exists.

    When did I call your opinions grudges ? Why do you keep claiming I have said things despite not having done so ?

    PS: This isn't even a suggestions thread.

  6. I think I'm with staff on this one. When you have 1500 members and over 4000 conversations logged, I can see this system of warnings, as mentioned by Dark, becoming ineffective when you have only 31 staff members to regulate all of that, some of which aren't even active. And that's not even including the time spent maintaining the server and dealing with any personal issues in their lives. While it may be a slight inconvenience for the original poster if their thread gets locked, it does only take a few minutes to set up a conversation.

    With that said I also agree with Macy to an extent. The locking of threads have been a bit random, and I would think that some other older threads with relevance and potential would be allowed to persist. Not only that but there have been some threads locked out because they were considered necro, yet the posts were only about 2 months apart. I feel like it should be elaborated more on what is considered necro and on why threads are receiving the lock, instead of staff simply posting "locked"

  7. Tbh, the forum is a bit of a mess. It's full of random convos that are quite pointless, it's not helped by the lack of good titles and duplicate postings. What should have happened is all posts past a date should be locked as to not allow bumping of old threads. Take this thread for example look at the title.

  8. Honestly this whole thread seems to be a miscommunication and refusal from both parties to meet halfway.

    Yes, you as players have the ability to post almost anything (controversial rule breaking excluded) in the general chat.

    Staff have the ability to lock threads to prevent avoidable arguments, pointless revivals or encouragment of spam/duplicate/questionable topics.

    If a staff member locks a thread you believe is still relevant, you could start a PM with them, even add a 3rd party for neutral viability and lay out your reasoning in a civilized manner.
    Instead, what we end up dealing with is a massive string of people fighting each other on all points, with no one willing to back down, either because they think they're right, they're wrong but have support of others, or even that they're simply stubborn about their choice.

    We are here to watch over the community, who share one common interest- Survival Minecraft on the best dam vanilla server out there. We created a forums where those people could talk, and laugh, and learn from eachother. we do our best to keep this forum from turning into utter chaos, and that means sometimes we have to be the bad guys. you dont like it, you may not understand it, you may not even see it as relevant, but that how it is.

    Also, my apologies for deleting the thread that this whole thing is about. if i had read more of it id probably have more things to say.

  9. @BaronBattleBread

    "Honestly this whole thread seems to be a miscommunication and read]refusal from both parties to meet halfway. "

    i agree that it was a misunderstanding from the beginning as i didn't have an attitude. the whole thing was all in fun and no harm meant. there's nothing for me to meet half way on. i just didn't like the way an overpowered person with no couth handled the situation.

    "Yes, you as players have the ability to post almost anything (controversial rule breaking excluded) in the general chat."

    my point exactly Baron however that was not the the case at all now was it?

    "If a staff member locks a thread you believe is still relevant, you could start a PM with them, even add a 3rd party for neutral viability and lay out your reasoning in a civilized manner. "

    good point Baron and perhaps i should have taken this approach. although i have a feeling it would have ended worst but i won't know.

    "Survival Minecraft on the best dam vanilla server out there"

    Hey!!! we can agree here!

    "means sometimes we have to be the bad guys."

    Don't mind you guys having to be bad guys at all i do understand that is a necessary evil but certainly not in this case. If someone wants to be an ass all the time...well then you'll get what you get when treating ppl that way. you guys don't think what she said or did is wrong hell you guys embrace it and suck up to her. not a way to be for a person in power. you're hell on wheels and a bad ass because you can ban me? lmao wow. i apologized to R4iscool1 for my short sounding response. as i meant no ill will towards him and thanked him for responding period as i thank you for your time as well. but when blackened dawn wants to throw her miserable attitude around and then claim i have an attitude? lol ok right on. when crafty mynes wants to attack the mere title of my thread? lol ok right on.....i have an idea..how bout you were pure ass wrong and be done with it instead of trying to justify and cover it. i apolized and have heard nothing but bullshit from Blackened and Crafty. i know i know it's yalls server who the hell am i?

  10. @Jericho_Tsunami Blackened dawn it was a harmless petition (suggestion) no need to act as a dictator with such censorship. it was in general discussion. if this is how general discussion goes with other players then you can have it. but do what you need to feel good.

    @darktyui yeah I also would like to know why the thread deserved to be locked

    @Pimpcy The locking of threads lately is totally unorganized and out of whack imo
    Like how tf is someone supposed to post what they like if they revive an old thread with potential it may get locked due to everything being considered necro post, If they attempt to make a new thread to avoid that, THAT can be locked and they are shown older already made threads.

    Sometimes threads are locked just because someone simply doesn't LIKE it while others are having casual fun with the topic literally no harm

    the logic is so stretched out

    @Pimpcy I've seen faction threads with vital info still on them get locked that can and were still in use that just shits all over the gameplay and trying to connect members for your team?

    I've seen threads with potential get locked I mean who's to say "witty weapon names" are going to be locked due to it being old when so many people can come back with new ideas.

    And silly, harmless, ones get attacked as well just because someone doesn't like it give the players some freedom come on.

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/3528-strangers-company-faq ( still could of been edited or updated in the same thread unless the owners wanted it locked I don't see the issue)

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/4311-fix-invisibility-potions ( I agree this one was heavily debated and pushed but the person never got the promise of it being unlocked and notified idk if it was solved or not but worth mentioning the actions)

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/4550-sever-fact-petition

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/1316-craftymynes-history-so-far ( small games like this and little lore, stories, etc getting locked when people are still having fun with them makes no sense unless the original poster or majority of people deem it unworthy to continue I don't see the problem)

    https://forum.craftymynes.com/746-rule-exception ( don't know if this got solved in pm or not but makes no sense locking if the same situation occurred is it that triggering to respond in an old thread when the issue still exists? )

    it's not a matter of leniency, Locking random threads with barely an excuse and not wanting to deal with them is more on the slacker side.

    these are just few of the many examples

    Lmao why is being the owner brought up when I was simply stating an opinion makes no sense it's just useless snark.

    @Pimpcy Some of those responses weren't even answered correctly I could go on forever debunking all that but I'm not going to stray away from topic it would be useless focusing on examples to the MAIN but those were added in there for support

    It doesn't require heavy observation, deleting comments vs locking threads takes up little time between the other I think staff find more satisfaction just locking things here and there and not wanting to read a few messages. you guys are always on the forums it's not like it's rare to see a staff colored name?

    @Pimpcy Also not to sound like a Salty bitch or anything, but can my Logo be deleted from further use I won't have the motive to go fourth on the project for awhile and it'd be bad for that, it wasn't about the money anyway I can make side cash easily with commissions alone it was about my support and love for CraftyMynes, Both Staff and community It was an honor for me, this backlash and arguing dimmed me out a that bit and I'm sorry it did.

    I would post in the proper thread but it's old and I don't really want to make a new thread for one request.

    Peace

    @GrinningBobcat Can we just come to the middle ground of players being considerate of staff and staff being more lenient about things while still keeping a leash on the threads and forum community?

    truth

  11. Edited 8 years ago by TheBlizWiz

    Staff: Feel free to delete is post if you care to do so. I will not retaliate. Staff has the right to censor when it is appropriate to maintain peace.

    Okay, I am not one that should be doing this, but I will.

    I defend the staff on this point, and let me show you why. This was an part of an appeal I had to type live in Google Docs to appeal my behavior on the forums.

    ...Let’s cut it short.. I acknowledge that I made a mistake and that I crossed several lines in doing so.

    It was not in good taste or within rules to mock staff by copying what a staff member did and doing so without the authority to do so. The staff have the rights to break rules in order to maintain the forum’s stability and moderation. I do not. It is not my personal job to moderate the forums myself. I am not a member of staff, am certainly not qualified to be staff, and definitely not paid to be staff.

    It was also not within the rules to necropost. Personally, I have used some other forum sites in the past, and I had trouble with this is the past. However, this kind of necroposting is not the kind of necroposting that should be done, if any at all. Necroposting is one thing, but trolling while necroposting is another.

    In short, staff members have real jobs and are on a real clock with real schedules. Having to divert their attention to deal with someone who doesn’t care in the moment, (Or doesn’t realize in the moment) wastes valuable time that could be used somewhere else.

    Lastly, I am human, and I do make mistakes. However, as myself, I am very quick to regret and repent those mistakes. Often times, it takes a ban or suspension for me to realize these things. Immediately I know that I have crossed a line. However, any staff member would tell me that I need to repent at the first warning. This is completely understandable by me....

  12. well if threads are deemed important and still kinda relevant when they get locked, couldnt there just be a locked thread archive like ive seen on other forums? that solves the issue of threads vanishing due to no more replies, since by what im seeing it seems like a lot of the outrage is from relevant info being buried and this may help solve that issue. Both sides win because arguments can be avoided like staff want and info doesnt vanish like i think a lot of thr players want.

    disclaimer: this is all based upon the opinions ive picked up from this thread and if i misread, too bad

  13. @ardoasms well if threads are deemed important and still kinda relevant when they get locked, couldnt there just be a locked thread archive like ive seen on other forums? that solves the issue of threads vanishing due to no more replies, since by what im seeing it seems like a lot of the outrage is from relevant info being buried and this may help solve that issue. Both sides win because arguments can be avoided like staff want and info doesnt vanish like i think a lot of thr players want.

    disclaimer: this is all based upon the opinions ive picked up from this thread and if i misread, too bad

    seems legit. yA SEE PEOPLE. miiiddddlllle groooouuunnddd.